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Chris Bell · #61 07-01-2007, 02:20 AM

Sums it up

Bstef · #62 07-01-2007, 12:26 PM

I read a document over 10 years ago that was about how in the next 10 years all sorts of crazy things would happen and new laws would be implemented and the way society is handled would totally shift...

Well nearly all the things have happened.
And there are more things coming.

I'm bored. Altered the cartoon abit.

yeah, its sarcasm, yeah.

I have no ill feelings about W. His dad was the head of the CIA. If I were the head of the CIA and played HUGE mindgames with people for a living- Noone could complain if I programmed my own son. Go see manchurian candidate. The original movie is better IMO.
I could be annoyed with his father. And his Dad's friends.

Seen the clip of W in china where he tries to open a door only
to find it locked? He tries the door a few times and then just stands still
staring forward for a few seconds like a 3 year old in trouble, till an aide calls his name from behind him.

Scarry stuff. I should have never taken psychology classes.
The video of him and the magic door are here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSjaXqGrtyI

Matt SD300 · #63 07-02-2007, 03:23 AM

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Sums it up

Great illustration..........Thats what Im talking about.................

Bokonon · #64 07-02-2007, 01:49 PM

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Great illustration..........Thats what Im talking about.................

Yeah -- maybe that IS what you are talking about. But I'd say that it also illustrates case of conservatives being lost in a hall of mirrors, affirming each other's beliefs that "the media" is biased and lying and out to get them, and that their own folklore and ideology and talk radio heros have the "truth".

Haven't the events of the last couple of years meant anything? No penetration? Eh? Hello?

And ... seriously. Calling the media "liberal" these days is like ... well ... Stalin denouncing Trotsky as a right-winger. It is a political smackdown, but it ain't real.

-- Bokonon

Mistress · #65 07-02-2007, 05:29 PM

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Oh that's great! I heard Ted is now applying for a job as swim instructor at the YMCA..

Matt SD300 · #66 07-02-2007, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bokonon

Yeah -- maybe that IS what you are talking about. But I'd say that it also illustrates case of conservatives being lost in a hall of mirrors, affirming each other's beliefs that "the media" is biased and lying and out to get them, and that their own folklore and ideology and talk radio heros have the "truth".

Haven't the events of the last couple of years meant anything? No penetration? Eh? Hello?

And ... seriously. Calling the media "liberal" these days is like ... well ... Stalin denouncing Trotsky as a right-winger. It is a political smackdown, but it ain't real.

-- Bokonon

Oh Please........

Matt SD300 · #67 07-02-2007, 11:38 PM

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Oh that's great! I heard Ted is now applying for a job as swim instructor at the YMCA..

Teddy's not that great of a swimmer........but he floats good!....

Towel Rail · #68 07-03-2007, 12:38 AM

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That is an awesome spoof. I love the old DDB ads.

t walgamuth · #69 07-03-2007, 06:23 AM

They were great. Great product too. You sure that is a spoof?

Tom W

MS Fowler · #70 07-06-2007, 06:15 AM

Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. A liberal society is characterized by freedom of thought for individuals, limitations on power, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market economy, free private enterprise, and a transparent system of government in which the rights of all citizens are protected. [2] In the 21st century, this usually means liberal democracy with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law. [3]

One could only wish that this definition was true.

Modern liberalism is nothing about freedom or individual rights. Its all about government restricting individual rights rather than restricting government's intrusion into citizens lives.
If it was all for the "free exchange of ideas" then Al Gore would address the truly bad science in his polemics on global warming. Instead he stonewalls it.
If it was all for " the rule of law", then expalin how the Senate almost passed a Bill that would have excused millions of law-breakers.
If it was about "open government" then explain how the aforementioned Bill was crafted largely in secret.

Modern liberalism is not liberal in the classic sense.
Neither is modern conservatism, conservative in the dictionary sense of wanting to promote the status quo.

I think a more honest/ relevant, modern definition would be that modern liberals want government to be the answer to all question, the provider of all services. The people would be fully dependent on the government for all their needs.
Modern conservativism would promote the rights of the individual, and the restriction of the government to its Constitutional boundaries.

Botnst · #71 07-06-2007, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. A liberal society is characterized by freedom of thought for individuals, limitations on power, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market economy, free private enterprise, and a transparent system of government in which the rights of all citizens are protected. [2] In the 21st century, this usually means liberal democracy with open and fair elections, where all citizens have equal rights by law. [3]

One could only wish that this definition was true.

Modern liberalism is nothing about freedom or individual rights. Its all about government restricting individual rights rather than restricting government's intrusion into citizens lives.
If it was all for the "free exchange of ideas" then Al Gore would address the truly bad science in his polemics on global warming. Instead he stonewalls it.
If it was all for " the rule of law", then expalin how the Senate almost passed a Bill that would have excused millions of law-breakers.
If it was about "open government" then explain how the aforementioned Bill was crafted largely in secret.

Modern liberalism is not liberal in the classic sense.
Neither is modern conservatism, conservative in the dictionary sense of wanting to promote the status quo.

I think a more honest/ relevant, modern definition would be that modern liberals want government to be the answer to all question, the provider of all services. The people would be fully dependent on the government for all their needs.
Modern conservativism would promote the rights of the individual, and the restriction of the government to its Constitutional boundaries.

Pretty well sums it up as far as modern liberalism is concerned.

B

Brian Carlton · #72 07-06-2007, 08:46 AM

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Modern conservativism would promote the rights of the individual, and the restriction of the government to its Constitutional boundaries.

That's the funniest thing I've heard all day.........how does the current "conservative" administration fit into your nicely packaged definition?

Honus · #73 07-06-2007, 09:06 AM

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That's the funniest thing I've heard all day.........how does the current "conservative" administration fit into your nicely packaged definition?

I thought he was saying that the current administration should strive to fit that definition but hasn't quite made it there. Maybe I misunderstood him.

Honus · #74 07-06-2007, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler

...Modern liberalism is nothing about freedom or individual rights. Its all about government restricting individual rights rather than restricting government's intrusion into citizens lives...

That definition sounds more like what has come to be called conservative. Going back at least as far as the Reagan administration, the so-called conservatives have advocated a strong, intrusive, central government. At the national level, you see it in many areas- preemptive war against countries who don't threaten us, warrantless wiretapping, abortion, illegal drugs, tort reform, prayer in school, and stem cell research come to mind. It has also been true at the state level, at least in Virginia. When GOP presidential candidate Jim Gilmore (

) ran for Governor of Virginia, his entire campaign came down to three words, "No Car Tax." Of course everyone hates the car tax, so he got elected. The phasing out of the car tax has two effects - it totally screwed up the state's finances and it took revenue from the localities and sent it instead to Richmond where the central government doled it out. Gilmore was the George W. Bush of Virginia governors. Each is arguably the most incompetent person ever to hold his respective office and each claims to be conservative while simultaneously working to strengthen the central government.

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If it was all for the "free exchange of ideas" then Al Gore would address the truly bad science in his polemics on global warming. Instead he stonewalls it.

He does? He seems pretty sincere to me.

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... Modern liberalism is not liberal in the classic sense...

I agree. If so-called liberals would be more open to dissenting views, I think they would dominate American politics because their general philosophy, once properly understood, makes more sense than the tripe being pushed by the people who dominate the modern GOP.

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...Neither is modern conservatism, conservative in the dictionary sense of wanting to promote the status quo...

That's an understatement. Look at the policy proposals of Tom Delay, John Ashcroft, Dick Cheney, and the like. These men are anything but conservative. They are the opposite of conservative.

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...Modern conservativism would promote the rights of the individual, and the restriction of the government to its Constitutional boundaries.

Do you see that happening anytime in the forseeable future? I don't.

Brian Carlton · #75 07-06-2007, 09:33 AM

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I thought he was saying that the current administration should strive to fit that definition but hasn't quite made it there. Maybe I misunderstood him.

It's just an example of how the "definitions" hardly fit the reality of today.

Those that think the liberals want to control every action of the life of a citizen are incorrect.

Those that think the conservatives have a profound respect for the constitution and the rights of the individual citizen are incorrect.