Thiking of taking my next date to the finest local vineyard
 

I'm thinking this is the best way find a mature women my age that is not just into the party and get high stage. Would I be wrong in assuming that a evening with dinner and desert at a vineyard will be more adapt to holding the intrest of a mature girl my age (23) then that of a wild party girl that can't even pay her phone bill on time. (long story there). I'm regreating my words as I write this, there was this one women that I met last fall who was admitidly kind of a snob but she had her stuff togeather and knew what she wanted and she was extreamly inteligent. I wish I would have gotten to know her more. Maybe it's not too late.

23 is mature??? 33 maybe.

You are on the right track
 

A Mercedes Benz owner's group is hardly the best venue to ask about this kind of thing, but you are probably on the right track.

Art gallery receptions, wine tastings, poetry or book readings, interesting charity gtgs, a yoga class, historical society meetings, city or nature walks, adult education classes, that are not strictly pick up venues, where you could learn something no matter what, are likely the better way.

It's about shared interests.

The only thing you would have in common meeting people in bars and clubs is that you both drink.

.02 pfennigs.

Well the last one was 31 and was not mature.

Age is not a guarantee of maturity. But the younger the girl, the more doubtful I am.

23 is hardly mature by any manner of means.

Now Sport,please view the following as purely constructive in intent and not petty or malicious.

If one may judge from your initial post you are not quite certain what you want or expect,let alone lacking the inner security borne of social experience and self confidence.

I am far from ideal in that regard which makes it facile for me to spot it in others.

Oh, and if you correspond with emails please check your spelling,otherwise best of luck.

Take her to a local farmers market - hopefully the kind with baked goods and deli meats or the like. Pick out a few things...enough for a picnic, and then find a nice place to go and have lunch. (look around for prepared picnic baskets..the kind with forks/knives/etc)

just an idea...


If you are going to a vineyard, be sure and study up on wines a little, so you don't look like such a noob (I know I would! :D)

Then they can feed each other their cherries? :D:D

Whatever you do, do not buy any Daikon radishes!!

Do take your time at the market...make it a pleasurable time.

Hmmm...Girls who seem intelligent...Or are just trying to put on an act so as to make them seem more knowledgeable than they really are.

Make sure she has a sense of humor! A girl cursed with a frown is no laughing matter, IMHO.

Oh yeah, and expect a two-faced nature come that "time of month".

I've been out "once" with a girl. She told me to get lost (just want to be friends). I said "OK" and she blew up at me for being so cavalier (???).

Second chick stood me up twice (she apologized for the first time), I told her to get lost after she "finally" kept her word for calling me. She was pi$$ed, but what goes around comes around. Screw her.

I now have two chicks that hate my guts. I'm an a-hole in their minds. I really don't care, its on to the next one. Unlike a girl, a guy initiates the dating scene. A girl has to wait. A guy has to date.

Good luck, man. Women are really strange. They may tell you they'll call, and they never do. But they expect you to keep your word or they'll lay into you pretty hard next time you meet. Any chick that gives you a hard time, just tell her to take a walk. That's all. It gave ME a feeling of euphoria.

You should be lucky at 2. You could say yes and no and be wrong both times. Keep quiet and you are also wrong.

Did you?

Not so true today.

Any Man Of Mine


This is what a woman wants...

Any man of mine better be proud of me
Even when I'm ugly he still better love me
And I can be late for a date that's fine
But he better be on time

Any man of mine'll say it fits just right
When last year's dress is just a little too tight
And anything I do or say better be okay
When I have a bad hair day

And if I change my mind
A million times
I wanna hear him say
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah I like it that way

Chorus:
Any man of mine better walk the line
Better show me a teasin' squeezin' pleasin' kinda time
I need a man who knows, how the story goes
He's gotta be a heartbeatin' fine treatin'
Breathtakin' earthquakin' kind
Any man of mine

Well any man of mine better disagree
When I say another woman's lookin' better than me
And when I cook him dinner and I burn it black
He better say, mmmm, I like it like that yeah

And if I changed my mind
A million times
I wanna hear him say
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah I like it that way

(Repeat Chorus)

Let me hear you say yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah I like it that way

(Repeat Chorus)

You gotta shimmy shake
Make the earth quake
Kick, turn, stomp, stomp, then you jump
Heel to toe, Do Si Do
'Til your boots wanna break
'Til your feet and your back ache
Keep it movin' 'til you just can't take anymore
Come on everybody on the floor
A-one two, a-three four
Hup two, hum
If you wanna be a man of mine, that's right
This is what a woman wants...

Written by Shania Twain
and Mutt Lange.

Well, it is hard to tell her to walk if she is giving me a "hard time" :D:D

:D

I like that. Classic.

I understand the female psychology (I think). In my case, #1 is timid (very strange girl: A cute face and a good body). She's also an underachieving intellectual, IMHO, but we share SO much in common). #2 is lazy and challenged in memory retention (but has a great body and pretty face). I still see these girls once a week, by force (weekly large group GTG, thing). I would still be friendly with them, if they weren't trying to avoid me/scoffing at my face. I don't know about #2 yet. If she apologizes a second time, I might consider being "friends" and do something with her IN A GROUP setting. If SHE wants to pursue, then she can pursue. If she wants to go out alone, then she can treat ME to something, not the other way around.

In the mean time, I just got the phone #'s to girls #3 - 5. Gotta keep busy.:D

nh500sl. Good luck, but be careful, man. Don't allow your heart to be broken by hanging on for too long. It hurts like no other pain in the world.

If you want to find a girl, a good girl-

Stop looking.



-John

My suggestion would be NOT to go somewhere that alcohol is served. Going to the vineyard I think is an exception, your not likely to get drunk.

I like Larry's idea. I've done that before too. I like crackers and cheeses and maybe some pesto sauces.

Don't go to the movies on the first or even second date. Find someplace where you two can talk.

Good luck

Danny

1) 23 is not mature (not in my book!).
2) 23 year olds should be into having fun - a lot of it; you're only young once.
3) Women are generally more mature than men.

My advice? Lighten up - have some fun!