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Old 09-11-2007, 10:04 PM
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Researchers in PA, BURN SEAWATER!!!

Read this, about it today, the use of radio frequencies, see for yourself;

http://green.yahoo.com/index.php?q=node/1570

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Old 09-11-2007, 10:19 PM
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nice.. and lets see how much longer until big oil shuts him down through govt connections
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Old 09-11-2007, 10:25 PM
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Didn't Keanu Reeves do this with Morgan Freeman in Chain Reaction?
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Old 09-11-2007, 10:32 PM
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Geez guys, they have been burning hydrogen FOREVER (Hindenburg....). All this process does is liberate hydrogen from the water. It also liberates oxygen obviously. We did this in 7th grade chemistry class around 1972 or so, nothing new here. We used electricity. I might imagine using RF takes more energy to generate than you get back. Another dud energy source (like ethanol).
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Old 09-11-2007, 10:34 PM
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Geez guys, they have been burning hydrogen FOREVER (Hindenburg....). All this process does is liberate hydrogen from the water. It also liberates oxygen obviously. We did this in 7th grade chemistry class around 1972 or so, nothing new here. We used electricity. I might imagine using RF takes more energy to generate than you get back. Another dud energy source (like ethanol).
we didnt get to do any fun stuff like that in 7th grade chem
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Old 09-11-2007, 10:38 PM
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Geez guys, they have been burning hydrogen FOREVER (Hindenburg....). All this process does is liberate hydrogen from the water. It also liberates oxygen obviously. We did this in 7th grade chemistry class around 1972 or so, nothing new here. We used electricity. I might imagine using RF takes more energy to generate than you get back. Another dud energy source (like ethanol).
There's a fun ping pong ball gun at the Exploratorium in San Francisco which demonstrates this. Had voltage control to increase and decrease the O2, H2 production and when it filled up it was detonated with a simple piezoelectric igniter. Too bad it couldn't be aimed.
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Old 09-11-2007, 10:53 PM
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RF energy isn't free

Let's see how much energy is left after producing the RF.
Anyway here's a link to a video of the burning salt water, bottom right of webpage:

http://www.rustumroy.com/
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Old 09-11-2007, 10:59 PM
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we didnt get to do any fun stuff like that in 7th grade chem
You fill a glass beaker with salt water (fresh water does not conduct well enough). You have 2 DC electrodes pointing up. Place a test tube upside down over each and turn on the juice. It was only a few volts. You see O2 bubbles in one tube and the H bubbles in the other.
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Old 09-12-2007, 12:40 AM
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we didnt get to do any fun stuff like that in 7th grade chem
That's 'cause all us that went before you blowed things up with the various flammable gases.

Sorry, but it was fun.
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Old 09-12-2007, 08:10 AM
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didn't a river in New Jersey burn in the 70's?
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Old 09-12-2007, 08:20 AM
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One in Cleveland did.
And like the guys said, this is just another case of putting in 10 watts and getting two out. RF at decent power levels is expensive to make.
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Old 09-12-2007, 08:30 AM
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Old 09-12-2007, 09:38 AM
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Read this, about it today, the use of radio frequencies, see for yourself;

http://green.yahoo.com/index.php?q=node/1570
My uncle works for a company that designs and builds power plants as a test engineer/trouble shooting contractor. They have been concentrating on bituminous and subbituminous peat and lignite (as well as the asphalt/sand sludge left over after coal is processed) and how to get them to burn cleanly. The key is a trailer full of oxygen pumped in to the point of clean burning and before the point of turning it into a giant oxy-acetylene torch.

The peat and young coals are readily available through the Dakotas and Montana. While they don't provide the heat that the mature coals do, they do have a lower sulfur content. They are looking to build some plants near those deposits so that trucking can be taken out of the equation making it more BTU efficient and a viable (read profitable ) source.

There is a lot of new technology out there, trying to get it to be an efficient source is the key. Anything other than nuclear power has efficiency and stack emission issues that need to be overcome.
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Old 09-12-2007, 06:04 PM
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Youtube video.

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Old 09-12-2007, 07:39 PM
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Never happen... Now if he was in West Virgina Senator Byrd would get him funding

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