Oh well, life is short, can't be astute on every detail of everything. Nonetheless, one can grasp many bits and pieces just by accident.

I believe math is the only pure science, correct me if I'm wrong, and that's because it exists only in the mind, in strictly theoretical form.

This business of clinging to 'free market' with an aggressive vengeance reminds me (I said this somewhere else recently, oh well) of some fanatical Stalinist who turns in his next door neighbor for selling a few onions for the equivalent of 50 cents.

"Ve Vill NOT have capitalism destroying the sanctity of the People's Socialist Republic!"

All the anxiety about socialized medicine overlooks, in my view, the probable fact that we are going to have de facto socialized medicine from hell for the foreseeable future, in the form of indigent people cramming emergency rooms, to get care that could have been had for pennies on the dollar with some sort of triage based community clinics.

It's hard to imagine people sitting still for po' folk dying miserable deaths in the street while others get expensive cosmetic surgery and multiple transplants in order to extract a few more years of life from an abused body. This is not India.

Free market is the way to go in about 90 to 95% of endeavors in our land but trying to cram every damn thing into some theory is just whack.

We now have a free market medical system with one of its prime aims being to avoid sick people. S'plain the wisdom of that one to me.

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The nerve of that guy, faking like he could walk and betraying his class all the while.

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Interesting presentation. Perhaps you can connect it to the S&P?

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I doubt it.

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Oh spare me. SOP for you. You participated in moving the conversation in that direction, now you're playing this BS card. I wonder why I bother.

Get over yourself.

Oh here it is:

Dude asks for education and when it proves to be unpalatable for his country club tastes, he resorts to well practiced snobbery.

Right champion there, bucko!!

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What more is there to be said about the S & P? It's looking a lot like the stock chart of Yahoo just before the '00 bust.

Now if either of you geniuii (actually not a word -- geniuses is more like it) think you can rebut any of my brilliance, which has clearly shot serious holes into your cherished free market religion, have at it boys.

BTW, dude, I'm sure glad someone is taking up the banner of discrediting Che. Guy is making all sorts of inroads into the intellectual life of the nation's young uns.

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Rebut what you said. Hm. What was there to rebut?

The only assertion that was falsifiable was the first, about math being a science. It is not. Science is empirically tested for evidence of veracity. Mathematics is not.

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Speaking of Che...

Jay Ambrose: Che Guevara was a murderous thug
Jay Ambrose, The Examiner
2007-10-10 07:00:00.0
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WASHINGTON - Ernesto “Che” Guevara was executed 40 years ago this week, and the impulse to honor him is bursting out all over.
Celebrations are taking place in such places as Cuba, Bolivia and Ireland, a priest has called him a saint, and hosts of other people are likewise instructing us on what a hero he was, what a moral giant, what a fierce combatant for justice in an imperialist-threatened, inhumane world.
Not to interrupt the hallucinatory hosannas or anything, but it seems worth mentioning that there is another side to this story, the one that says Che was in fact a murderous, evil, obsessed thug who stands convicted of his vicious ideological fanaticism and cruelties by his own words as well as by his damnable deeds.
Perhaps the idolizers who wear the Che T-shirts are unaware of those words, as when he said that a true revolutionary had to hate so much that he would be pushed past ordinary human limits and become “an effective, violent, selective and cold killing machine.”
Perhaps they don't know that, after the Soviets took their nuclear missiles out of Cuba in 1962, he told a reporter he had hoped to “use them against the very heart of America, including New York City,” very likely killing some of those who would later put on those T-shirts, and otherwise making this particular fad less likely.
Perhaps the people who make Che-adoring movies — Robert Redford did it — or write adulatory pieces about Fidel Castro's henchman are ignorant of how Che recklessly exterminated people who had been proven guilty of absolutely nothing, sometimes shooting them in the back of the neck himself.
Following the Castro takeover of Cuba in 1959, Che ran a Havana prison in which he killed, killed and then killed some more, and later helped start the labor camp system in which homosexuals and others considered undesirable were to be confined as nothing more than slaves.
None of this information is hard to come by. There are a number of easily accessible, well-researched, carefully documented, evidence-heavy articles reciting the truth, while telling us as well how Che’s economic guidance of Cuba's central bank was a disaster that further afflicted people who either learned to survive hunger-inducing totalitarianism or risk their lives fleeing the island.
Turn to these articles instead of to romantic fantasies, and you'll also learn how this Argentinean doctor left Cuba after an apparent falling out with Castro, fought in the Congo and then went to Bolivia to liberate peasants who were finding their lives improved without his aid and were intelligently wary of this crazed ideologue. That’s where he was caught and shot to death at the age of 39.
One writer speculates that a famous, endlessly reproduced photograph of a handsome, bold-looking Che is at least partly responsible for some coming to very nearly worship him as an unparalleled 20th-century fighter for societal righteousness.
Maybe so. Images can be powerful that way. But as the writer recognizes, it is hardly excusable for this or any other reason that anyone who has delved into the story of this cruel, Hitler-like, 20th century scourge to preach he was a good man with the right ideas.
What's at work in the idolizing is either a mild leftist ideology that decides to leave out or refuses to believe the condemnatory stuff, or a wild leftist ideology that says yes, what Che did was justified in trying to set the world right.
Either way, there are many perils, such as the destructive march of some Latin American countries — such as Hugo Chavez-led Venezuela — toward a destructive, liberty-denying socialist future.
Examiner Columnist Jay Ambrose is a former Washington opinion writer and editor of two dailies. He may be reached at SpeaktoJay@aol.com

Examiner

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Well, sure. But he LOOKED cool . . .

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What science is it that studies the splitting of hairs?

OK, knower of all things, what category would you place math in? As far as rebutting, it amazes me that characters in this country, enjoying the greatest average level of individual wealth in history, riding on the coat-tails of a highly successful combination of private and public initiative, whine endlessly about the sort of public spending that enabled their fathers and grandfathers to get an education the sort of which their ancestors only dreamed about, more often than not.

You see your own pet theories. All else is grist for your mill, and worthy of scorn.

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Oh damn, and here I was going to sing his praise.

Give me a break, the guy had a catchy looking face on a T shirt, and all sorts of people wanted to cop the "rebel w/o a clue" mantle by wearing it. Poor fool was hung out to dry by his buddy Fidel, he thought he could just show up in Bolivia and lead the masses to a better life.

This guy actually worries anyone? I'm more worried about the enormous funds that have been (it ain't over) wasted in our various campaigns to stamp out this evil doctrine, this foul infection that once it takes root, renders it's victims little better than the living dead, zombies who wish only to infect others with their poison.

Good lord, watching some of the grave faced dudes of the 40s and 50s carry on about Godless, evil socialism is jaw dropping stuff. And these cats actually believed it.

What is it in so many humans, that drives them to identify the chief evil in the world as being that crowd over there? 'All of us-uns are God's chosen and we will cleanse the world of this vermin!'

(Please note, this is not an actual quote -- merely a light speculaion on the inner workings of various fanatical minds)

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Looks good on a tee shirt, too.

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I like the one of him where it says "brought to you by capitalism" at the bottom.

Then there's the one of him with the bullet hole in his head; that's cute too, I suppose.

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Except for a few pinheads in Berkeley, most of the youth will grow up and relize the Che was a murder and POS. He was Castros enforcer. If you and the other pinheads in Berkeley feel that thats something to celebrate, have at it.

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