Thats not stock my friend... Thats modified. Cranking up the boost, modified fuel pump, non pump gas, and aftermarket air filter.

I am talking about the bone stock car, without any help from the aftermarket.

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91 560 SEC AMG - other dogs dd
01 Honda S2000 - dogs dd
07 MB ML320 CDI - dd
16 Lexus IS250 - wifes dd

it's automatic.

Correct ours is Not stock , But I did point you to a STOCK Motor tread quote with a GN running 13.8 . Correct? Now you do understand that is a Grand National and than there is a GNX with the same motor? So you have only proved using YOUR friend's show room stock(?) 500e time slip it is as quick a show room 1987 Buick Grand National and LESS quick than a GNX. Correct? So my point stands a v6 turbo buick motor powered the car that was quicker than the 500e.. No???

I know that there are multiple levels of the Grand National...



But then thats kind of like comparing an apple to an orange...




A Grand National would be more comparable to something like an AMG....

The Grand National is a factory hopped up Buick, like an E60 Limited....

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91 560 SEC AMG - other dogs dd
01 Honda S2000 - dogs dd
07 MB ML320 CDI - dd
16 Lexus IS250 - wifes dd

it's automatic.

This special Mercedes is Less a factory or factory's hop up than a GNX??? READ THIS Taken from this site: The 500E/E500 was a limited production sports sedan created in a collaboration between Mercedes-Benz and Porsche. In the grand line of sports sedans from Mercedes dating back to the 300SEL 6.3 of the 60's and 450SEL 6.9 of the 70's came the next generation. Production ran from 1992 to 1994 model years and yielded only 1505 total cars imported to the U.S. The line was renamed E500 in 94 in addition to some minor bodywork changes. Special suspension, interior, and bodywork caused the price to skyrocket to approximately 80K during its run. With 322HP and 354 lb-ft of torque on tap combined with 2.82 gearing caused 60 to come in less than 6 seconds and the car was electronically limited to 155. The W124 chassis was fortified with Porsche's help to ensure this car performed flawlessly in all aspects. Adaptive rear shocks and subtly flared fenders conceal 225/55/16 Z-rated rubber on 16x8.0" eight-hole wheels. Virtually every possible option available on a W124 is standard. Four bolstered sport seats replace the conventional 2 front/3 rear configuration of other E-class cars. Curb weight topped 3800 lbs so fuel economy suffered slightly. A larger fuel tank of 23.8 gallons made up for any possible loss of range. This is perhaps the most desirable and collectable Mercedes of the last 20 years" This special Mercedes is Less a factory or factory's hop up than a GNX??? ALSO I did find this showing that the 500e was slower than either a GN or a GNX. http://www.supercars.net/garages/PeP/12v2.html

than this: http://www.buickgnx.com/
There is no difference internally between the 3.8 liter SFI Grand National engine and the GNX engine. Initially, there were plans to perform standard performance tricks like blueprint the motor assembly, but tests proved that wasn't necessary to achieve the goal.
For example, a port/polish job was considered. This would require a tear-down of a brand new engine, because Grand Nationals were delivered whole to ASC for the conversion. From start to finish, the process of removing the upper half of the engine and performing the machine work could easily be 50 hours of labor. Only to reassemble it and risk premature failure due to any error or defect in the process. Not to mention the cost.
It would be impractical to perform such precision modifications to 547 cars post-production in a short time frame. So, McLaren specified these external improvements:

There is no point trying to convince most people on this forum that anything domestic can possibly come close to anything German. I get your point though; the 3.8 turbo would be an interesting swap choice.

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Comparing a 500e to the gnx is just silly. The 500e can be used as a daily driver in complete comfort and safety. It happens to be pretty capable too of accelerating, turning, braking, and can maintain speed over rough and broken roads as well.

I am no expert on GNX's but I doubt that anyone drives on on a daily basis. A quick pass at the drag strip is a pretty specific task at which it is good though. Not that there is anythign wrong with a car with this capability....it is just nothing at all like what a 500e is designed to do.

I would be interested in having and driving the 500e myself.

The GNX? It is for drag fans.

Tom Walgamuth

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

Your just confused than. The info about the Turbo Buicks is all over the web. Please look it up and than see if your statement is silly ( I have provided many already). I spent the time to read up on the 500e and it looks to me as if it was an excellent car (better be for 80K) but still was NOT AS QUICK as a Turbo Buick T type , GN or GNX True? All the Turbo Buicks drive pretty much like REGULAR Buicks. Any links to prove otherwise? QUOTE "
The Buick Grand National harkens back to a time when American cars sucked fat donkey testes. Not only were they incredibly unreliable, looked boxy and awkward, and were wholly unsafe, they were ssssslow. Out of the Cadillac Cimarrons & Plymouth Sundances came the 1986 Buick Regal Turbo & its all black exterior cousin called the Grand National. It stood for luxury, performance, and technology. Featuring a 3.8 Liter V6 Turbocharged and Intercooled, the Turbo Regal was regarded as one of the only bright spots in terms of Domestic performance in the pre-OBD-II but post California Smog Legal era. Car and Driver reported a 4.9 second 0-60 *BONE STOCK* and the Turbo Buick was deemed the "Fastest US Production Car of 1987." Efficiency in the form of a vehicle, also known as the American Dream.
In the best car review (April '86 of Automobile Magazine) ever written, noted libertarian P.J. O'Rourke wrote, "The GN is not heir to the muscle cars, those stripped econmy coupes jammed with raw engine. Instead, it's a descendant of the great luxury performance monstrosities, like the 4000-pound 1964 Buick Wildcat with 401 cubic inches of V-8." The cars had power everything options in addition to eight speaker concert sound, PowerMaster brakes (they were better at the time), and a fuel economy approaching the mid-twenties on the freeway"