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Kuan 11-26-2007 09:16 PM

Why are NiMH batteries 1.2 volts?
 
Can anyone answer that for me?

MTUpower 11-26-2007 09:40 PM

They can be any voltage AFAIK.

MTI 11-26-2007 09:40 PM

I believe all rechargeable batteries in the popular cell sizes are 1.2v due to the amount of power created by the chemicals used. Also, the difference in the .3V isn't as important as the "drain" characteristics of the different styles of batteries.

300EVIL 11-26-2007 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuan (Post 1685878)
Can anyone answer that for me?

Because that's what a single cell NiMH can output in the way of voltage. A 12V car battery is actually 8 batteries in series. 1.5V x 8 = 12V. A 9 Volt battery is actually 6 cells. Chemical makeup determines how much voltage you can get from a single cell. Usually no more than 2 volts.

Whiskeydan 11-26-2007 09:55 PM

The current curve is interesting on rechargables vs alkaline. Rechargable batts reach there limit and take a nose dive fast. Alkaline batts current drops off closer to a linear curve.

Chas H 11-26-2007 09:59 PM

Wet cells have a voltage of 2.2 volts vs 1.5 in dry cells. Thus a 12V car battery will have 6 cells-not 8. The chemistry was explained to me a while ago, damned if I can remember it.

Whiskeydan 11-26-2007 10:04 PM

Has anyone heard the myth about setting car batterys on concrete? Old rumor says the need to be placed on a wood pallet otherwise they will be damaged.
I ask an oldtimer about this once. He said it was true when the battery cases were made of wood and had dovetail joints along the sides. The jolt of setting them on solid concrete would loosen the dovetail joint.

Wodnek 11-26-2007 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Whiskeydan (Post 1685939)
Has anyone heard the myth about setting car batterys on concrete? Old rumor says the need to be placed on a wood pallet otherwise they will be damaged.
I ask an oldtimer about this once. He said it was true when the battery cases were made of wood and had dovetail joints along the sides. The jolt of setting them on solid concrete would loosen the dovetail joint.

Our family subscribes to this. We have always stored batteries on a block of wood.

cjlipps 11-26-2007 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Whiskeydan (Post 1685939)
Has anyone heard the myth about setting car batterys on concrete? Old rumor says the need to be placed on a wood pallet otherwise they will be damaged.
I ask an oldtimer about this once. He said it was true when the battery cases were made of wood and had dovetail joints along the sides. The jolt of setting them on solid concrete would loosen the dovetail joint.

You gotta be kidding me?!? Battery cases of wood??? Never heard of such a thing. Figured the sulfuric acid would take care of that real quick.

300EVIL 11-26-2007 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 300EVIL (Post 1685909)
Because that's what a single cell NiMH can output in the way of voltage. A 12V car battery is actually 8 batteries in series. 1.5V x 8 = 12V. A 9 Volt battery is actually 6 cells. Chemical makeup determines how much voltage you can get from a single cell. Usually no more than 2 volts.

Correction: Bad info... a normal 12V car battery actually has 6 cells @ 2.1V each. I'm so used to servicing 16V racing batteries that I said 8 cell. :o

http://www.batterycentralmall.com/Ba...ges/16V324.jpg

Chas H 11-26-2007 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whiskeydan (Post 1685939)
Has anyone heard the myth about setting car batterys on concrete? Old rumor says the need to be placed on a wood pallet otherwise they will be damaged.
I ask an oldtimer about this once. He said it was true when the battery cases were made of wood and had dovetail joints along the sides. The jolt of setting them on solid concrete would loosen the dovetail joint.

Old battery cases were from glass, not wood. Individual cells could be replaced by cutting the loose tar that sealed the top and swapping in a fresh set of plates.

OMEGAMAN 11-27-2007 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 300EVIL (Post 1685962)
Correction: Bad info... a normal 12V car battery actually has 6 cells @ 2.1V each. I'm so used to servicing 16V racing batteries that I said 8 cell. :o

http://www.batterycentralmall.com/Ba...ges/16V324.jpg

What is the maximum charging voltage with a 16 volt battery. I'm guessing you use 16 volts instead of 12 to start high compression engines?

Whiskeydan 11-27-2007 09:32 PM

Turbo start, Racing battery. :rolleyes:

I'd rather see an internal resistance spec than voltage. What good is 16 volts at 100 milliamps? P=E times I. Current/amps is what counts when cranking.

And, the early batterys were dovetailed wood boxes lined with tar.

The Willard 6 volt.
http://www.adstocollect.com/servlet/the-663/1917-Ad-Willard-Storage/Detail

http://www.powerstream.com/1922/battery_1922_WITTE/batteryfiles/chapter03.htm

Regarding why NiMH are 1.2volts... the voltage is determined by the elements of the battery.

NiMH, NiCAD 1.2 volts
Carbon zinc, Alkiline 1.5 volts
Lead acid cells are 2 volts
Lithiums 3 volts

cmac2012 11-27-2007 10:27 PM

I've noticed that the NiMH AA batts are not that much use in my digital camera. It will only use alkaline AA until they get down to about 1.4 volts, then it does the "Oopsie, closing down now" thingy. I then use the same batts in my little French made strap on miners' headlamp thingy. They fade out at around 1.2 volts.

Dang, I like my digital readout voltmeter.

The NiMH AAs last for a handful of shots in the camera before they're over the hill. Perhaps I'll use them in my headlamp only.

Whiskeydan 11-27-2007 10:33 PM

Something else to consider...

Charging current should be approx 1/10 of the battery's ampere hr rating. Some NiCads had a 600mah rating and are charged at 60ma. The same size NiMH can be as high as 2000mah. If sub'd for the nicads, they will never fully charge at the 60ma rate.


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