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Old 01-16-2008, 03:15 PM
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Is it possible that neocons are as crazy as they appear?

I don't know what to make of this report from the left-wing website http://thinkprogress.org , but it makes me wonder whether some of the "experts" in favor of aggressive military action in the Middle East are in touch with reality:
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Norman Podhoretz: ‘What’s a Kurd, anyway?’

In his new Atlantic article called “After Iraq,” Jeffrey Goldberg recounts how in 2003, after an event on Kurdistan, neoconservative icon Norman Podhoretz, who is America’s foremost proponent of bombing Iran, asked him “What’s a Kurd, anyway?“:

Just before the “Mission Accomplished” phase of the war, I spoke about Kurd*istan to an audience that included Norman Podhoretz, the vicariously martial neoconservative who is now a Middle East adviser to Rudolph Giuliani. After the event, Podhoretz seemed authentically bewildered. “What’s a Kurd, anyway?” he asked me.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/16/norman-podhoretz-what%e2%80%99s-a-kurd-anyway/

Sometimes I listen to Richard Perle, Norman Podhoretz, Dick Cheney, et al., and I think they sound as if they are mentally ill. I have assumed that notion comes mostly from my own lack of expertise in the subject matter, as if these guys aren't insane, they just see the world different than do I. Every now and then, though, they say things that are just insane, plain a simple.

It's scary because Podhoretz is an influential guy.

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Old 01-16-2008, 03:19 PM
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*** And your point is... ***

Yep...it's a possibility...

When you LOOK UP THE WORD and see what it really means...you'd be surprized that a half-dozen haven't already taken up arms and gone after the UN and all the other organizations THEY USED TO BELIEVE IN.

Geez'...slow day in the hate-hood, eh?

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Old 01-16-2008, 06:25 PM
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Sometimes I listen to Richard Perle, Norman Podhoretz, Dick Cheney, et al., and I think they sound as if they are mentally ill. I have assumed that notion comes mostly from my own lack of expertise in the subject matter, as if these guys aren't insane, they just see the world different than do I. Every now and then, though, they say things that are just insane, plain a simple.
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Old 01-16-2008, 06:45 PM
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Who in the hell is Norman Podhoretz?

Does this mean I'm sane? I have never heard of the guy.
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Old 01-16-2008, 06:48 PM
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I'd want to know more about the context. It's hard for me to believe he is that stupid. I'd be more inclined to think he meant 'What's a Kurd' as " I know what they are but they are irrelevant to the geo-politics of the region" as opposed to "I don't know what the word means."
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Old 01-16-2008, 07:04 PM
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I'd want to know more about the context. It's hard for me to believe he is that stupid. I'd be more inclined to think he meant 'What's a Kurd' as " I know what they are but they are irrelevant to the geo-politics of the region" as opposed to "I don't know what the word means."
You probably have a point.
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Old 01-16-2008, 07:04 PM
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Who in the hell is Norman Podhoretz?

Does this mean I'm sane? I have never heard of the guy.
You sneaked in here despite having a life. Somebody call the janitor, please.
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Old 01-16-2008, 07:06 PM
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Who in the hell is Norman Podhoretz?

Does this mean I'm sane? I have never heard of the guy.
He is Mr. Neocon. The one the rest seem to look up to. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Podhoretz#Iraq
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Old 01-16-2008, 07:08 PM
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He is Mr. Neocon. The one the rest seem to look up to. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Podhoretz#Iraq
I checked that out earlier and its short for a Wiki page, could he be the vast right wing conspiracy?
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I checked that out earlier and its short for a Wiki page, could he be the vast right wing conspiracy?
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Old 01-16-2008, 08:28 PM
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I checked that out earlier and its short for a Wiki page, could he be the vast right wing conspiracy?
I don't know whether he was involved in that. When Hillary talked about the vast right wing conspiracy, she was referring to Ken Starr, Richard Melon Scaife, et al. I don't know whether Poderetz had anything to do with all that crap.

By the way, Hillary's choice of words, "right-wing conspiracy", was unfortunate because it is so easy to ridicule, but I don't see how anyone can deny that there were many well-funded, highly motivated Republicans out to get Bill Clinton before he was ever sworn in. Of course, people would rather make fun of Hillary than discuss the fact that the anti-Clinton crowd were a bunch of weirdos who did substantial harm to the country.
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Old 01-17-2008, 07:24 AM
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I don't know whether he was involved in that. When Hillary talked about the vast right wing conspiracy, she was referring to Ken Starr, Richard Melon Scaife, et al. I don't know whether Poderetz had anything to do with all that crap.

By the way, Hillary's choice of words, "right-wing conspiracy", was unfortunate because it is so easy to ridicule, but I don't see how anyone can deny that there were many well-funded, highly motivated Republicans out to get Bill Clinton before he was ever sworn in. Of course, people would rather make fun of Hillary than discuss the fact that the anti-Clinton crowd were a bunch of weirdos who did substantial harm to the country.
I agree that the phrase ..."VAst right wing conspiracy" was an unfortunate. A more accurate phrase would be ..."well funded and totally unscrupulous right wing conspiracy".

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Old 01-17-2008, 07:34 AM
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When one is in politics and one is on the unpleasant end of the stick, everything looks like a conspiracy.
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Old 01-17-2008, 07:58 AM
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Allegations that Bill Clinton had an affair with White House intern Monica Lewinsky first made national headlines on January 17, 1998, when the story was picked up by The Drudge Report. Despite swift denials from President Clinton, the clamor for answers grew louder. On January 27, 1998, Hillary Clinton appeared on NBC's The Today Show, in an interview with Matt Lauer.
Matt Lauer: "You have said, I understand, to some close friends, that this is the last great battle, and that one side or the other is going down here." Hillary Clinton: "Well, I don't know if I've been that dramatic. That would sound like a good line from a movie. But I do believe that this is a battle. I mean, look at the very people who are involved in this — they have popped up in other settings. This is — the great story here for anybody willing to find it and write about it and explain it is this vast right-wing conspiracy that has been conspiring against my husband since the day he announced for president."
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...the great story here for anybody willing to find it and write about it and explain it is this vast right-wing conspiracy that has been conspiring against my husband since the day he announced for president."
It is too bad she used the words "conspiracy" and "conspiring" because she was making a legitimate point. IMO, it wasn't really a conspiracy, it was just a bunch of well-financed, partisan Republicans who all wanted to bring down Bill Clinton from the very beginning. Why they formed this hatred for him is a mystery to me because his policies were not much different from many Republicans. So, maybe they weren't a conspiracy, but they all had a common goal and they pursued that goal to the detriment of the country. On that point, Hillary was exactly right because that was the real story in all that nonsense. Monica Lewinski, Whitewater, etc., etc., don't add up to a hill of beans compared to the anti-American things that were done by Clinton's opponents.

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