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Botnst 02-18-2008 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by connerm (Post 1767109)
Chicoms scuttled the craft from the ground - not a missle.

Evidence?

cmac2012 02-19-2008 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy (Post 1766783)
Ahh the good old Russians! You can always count on them for something like that!

I wonder if they want to get back into the cold war with us? Or we how about an space arms race!:D

Do you really thing their take is that far-fetched? Plenty of fools wanted to nuke the damn Russkies while we had the chance in the 50s (Eisenhower wouldn't hear of it) and plenty around Kennedy urged a hitting of Russia, and hard, over the Cuban missile thing.

SDI is a bald faced attempt to neutralize the offensive capability of others while retaining ours.

Could be the Russians are spot on here.

cmac2012 02-19-2008 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 1766833)
If one ignores the fact that (1) it's a brand new, multi-billion dollar spy satellite that takes years of science and engineering to design and build, (2) loss of which affects the intelligence capacity of the military and civilian spy agencies -- (3) ALL in order to demonstrate a capacity that the USA has been demonstrating since the first hook-up with an object in space; then it seems as though it could be malevolent.

And, of course, you know this beyond doubt, I presume. If indeed the Russians were right, would there be any reason for any part of the official story to be true?

cmac2012 02-19-2008 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by connerm (Post 1766855)
I don't think a chinese missle brought down that chinese satellite. I agree with a lot of other people who think there was a self destruct package onboard. Push a button on the ground and boom. What? Their early attempts at shooting down orbiting vehicles produces a hit? No way. That was a chinese stunt designed to make them look more advanced than they really are. Instead of worrying about shooting down missles and satellites, maybe they should worry about having food and safe drinking water. All the missle technolgy in the world doesn't matter when you're hungry and thirsty. Barbarian communist animals.

Your take on the remote might be correct but . . .

holy crap. Things are rarely as simple as they seem. How many Americans did the Vietnamese "barbarian communist animals" kill in the US? How many Vietnamese did we kill there?

He who smelt it, dealt it.

Botnst 02-19-2008 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 1767851)
And, of course, you know this beyond doubt, I presume. If indeed the Russians were right, would there be any reason for any part of the official story to be true?

Not being an absolutist, I cannot think of anything I know beyond doubt. Reasonable doubt, that's another issue.

In order for the multibillion dollar satellite to be a fabrication we must involve the intelligence community (not too hard), the civilian bureaucracy (NASA, GAO, CBO, etc), Congress and the President. A conspiracy that large is beyond reasonable doubt.

connerm 02-19-2008 10:24 AM

evidence
 
I don't have any evidence. I just like to think opposite of the sheeple. Somewhere between what the sheeple are fed (and subsequently respew) and the opposite lies the truth. Besides, my response made this boring thread worth continuing.

Hatterasguy 02-19-2008 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 1767850)
Do you really thing their take is that far-fetched? Plenty of fools wanted to nuke the damn Russkies while we had the chance in the 50s (Eisenhower wouldn't hear of it) and plenty around Kennedy urged a hitting of Russia, and hard, over the Cuban missile thing.

SDI is a bald faced attempt to neutralize the offensive capability of others while retaining ours.

Could be the Russians are spot on here.

No its not that far fetched. My theory on this is as follows. Someone screws up so a crazy expensive satellite is falling to earth. Chances of it doing damage by hitting something is .000001%. So since the Chinese just knocked one out of the sky this is a good time to do the same and at least get something out of this super expensive flop. They can sell the danger of rocket fuel or parts killing people as a reason to do it.

Most likely the message is to China; "don't get to cocky, were still ahead".

Thats my take on it.

Medmech 02-19-2008 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 1767917)
Not being an absolutist, I cannot think of anything I know beyond doubt. Reasonable doubt, that's another issue.

In order for the multibillion dollar satellite to be a fabrication we must involve the intelligence community (not too hard), the civilian bureaucracy (NASA, GAO, CBO, etc), Congress and the President. A conspiracy that large is beyond reasonable doubt.


Remember the story I told you about a spook and conspiracy theorist?;)

It ended with "whatever you say Mr. Conspiracy Theorist, the only place a conspiracy can successfully take place without anyone knowing is in your mind"

Botnst 02-19-2008 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Howitzer (Post 1768179)
Remember the story I told you about a spook and conspiracy theorist?;)

It ended with "whatever you say Mr. Conspiracy Theorist, the only place a conspiracy can successfully take place without anyone knowing is in your mind"

Yes. It is why their imaginative minds are so obviously full of rich organic natural fertilizer.

OldPokey 02-19-2008 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Hatterasguy (Post 1768137)
No its not that far fetched. My theory on this is as follows. Someone screws up so a crazy expensive satellite is falling to earth. Chances of it doing damage by hitting something is .000001%. So since the Chinese just knocked one out of the sky this is a good time to do the same and at least get something out of this super expensive flop. They can sell the danger of rocket fuel or parts killing people as a reason to do it.

Most likely the message is to China; "don't get to cocky, were still ahead".

Thats my take on it.

Sounds good to me. Where's the problem?

GREASY_BEAST 02-19-2008 03:59 PM

I wonder if this thing has nuclear material on it... wouldn't be the first time... that crap aerosol-ing itself in the upper atmosphere could cause some nasty problems for life on earth. The hydrazine pill plopping down in some urban center wouldn't be fun either... But then again, if they have a pretty clear picture of its orbital decay, which presumably they do because it is a heavily instrumented, heavily monitored piece of precision measuring equipment, they should be able to predict fairly accurately where its gonna touch down, right?

Why would the U.S. government engage in silly posturing schemes as "one-upping" China? It just doesn't make any sense. We know we have the Chinese outgunned, and so do they. In fact, its been that way for at least the past 150 years.. no need to waste resources proving it yet again:rolleyes: all but the dullest of idiots can see the writing on the wall here...

btw, I wouldn't doubt that there are, somewhere, 27 8x10 glossy color pictures with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one.. and enshrined in a file cabinet somewhere in Washington, a study in black and white of my fingerprints. lol great song.

Hatterasguy 02-19-2008 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by OldPokey (Post 1768208)
Sounds good to me. Where's the problem?

I don't see a problem either. The conspiracy guys love this stuff and the internet is like crack to them. The interweb is like their own little world, one in which the US government can keep secrets!:eek::D

connerm 02-19-2008 05:28 PM

foil hat
 
Hey Hatterasguy,
You could make yourself some extra spending money by going into the tin foil hat business?

OldPokey 02-19-2008 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GREASY_BEAST (Post 1768290)
I wonder if this thing has nuclear material on it...

No nukes. Just lots of carcinogens.

PaulC 02-19-2008 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry (Post 1766848)
I'm not saying that the failure of the satellite was deliberate. I'm saying the decision to shoot it down is likely based on reasons not related to public safety.

Bah! Any fool knows that Blofeld brought that satellite down.


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