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The Swede 02-29-2008 07:05 PM

Snap it up.

Welcome to the realm of diesels. Time to weird out...

Botnst 02-29-2008 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The Swede (Post 1778814)
Snap it up.

Welcome to the realm of diesels. Time to weird out...

I noticed that when I stuck my nose down into the fuel pip for 20 minutes that I got a buzz. Can I sue?

engatwork 02-29-2008 07:29 PM

BUY IT!
Ya'll don't let the engine wiring harnesses scare you. That is the easy part. Getting those glow plugs out is the messed up part. I have a friend who owns one with about 230k miles and I changed the gp's out at around 200k. Five of the six came out easy. The last one took about 1-1/2 hours to remove. When I changed them out I disturbed the wiring harness and it reared it's ugly head showing cracked insulation all over the place. I replaced it while in there and it took less than 30 minutes. The car I am talking about is still on the original transmission and evap. It also needed a new front main seal (easy on these cars) and the IP seal rings have been replaced.
I am going to eventually try to pick another 91-95 124 MB diesel (unless I end up getting a '09 Honda diesel). Owner claims 33-34 mpg day in and day out and loves the car. The individual is the original owner too.

PaulC 02-29-2008 08:13 PM

And the fate of the Toyota?

Botnst 02-29-2008 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulC (Post 1778873)
And the fate of the Toyota?

Wifette & youngest get in power-struggle over who gets the Talon Tsi and who drives the Abalone.

It's a win-win-win!

Brian Carlton 02-29-2008 08:29 PM

Congrats.

That's a fine vehicle.........and quite unique. The only year of the W124 with the OM606. It'll be around in 20 years..........if nobody hits it.

Be excellent to finally see you on a forum..........other than this one.........;)

Botnst 02-29-2008 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 1778893)
Congrats.

That's a fine vehicle.........and quite unique. The only year of the W124 with the OM606. It'll be around in 20 years..........if nobody hits it.

Be excellent to finally see you on a forum..........other than this one.........;)

I've been looking at biodiesel for a couple of years now and this finally gives me the chance to play. The use of cooking oil reaches it's pinnacle in AR, MS, LA & ETEX, so getting WVO should be no problemo. I'd like to get into the nuts & bolts of it so I'll dust-off the old Morrison & Boyd and see what I can relearn after a 35 year pause. Gawd, I hated organic! But I think I can relearn enough to play around with a chemistry set.

I also have a lot to learn about diesels. I understand the basic principal but have never actually messed with one. For a real experimenter this probably isn't an ideal car -- I'm think a 240D would be simpler. But you play the hand you got, not the one you wished.

Lastly, I picked the worst freaking day of the year (so far...) to cash-out of the stock market to buy the dang thing!

Brian Carlton 02-29-2008 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 1778915)
I've been looking at biodiesel for a couple of years now and this finally gives me the chance to play. The use of cooking oil reaches it's pinnacle in AR, MS, LA & ETEX, so getting WVO should be no problemo. I'd like to get into the nuts & bolts of it so I'll dust-off the old Morrison & Boyd and see what I can relearn after a 35 year pause. Gawd, I hated organic! But I think I can relearn enough to play around with a chemistry set.

I also have a lot to learn about diesels. I understand the basic principal but have never actually messed with one. For a real experimenter this probably isn't an ideal car -- I'm think a 240D would be simpler. But you play the hand you got, not the one you wished.

Lastly, I picked the worst freaking day of the year (so far...) to cash-out of the stock market to buy the dang thing!

If you really want to go with WVO on that engine, you'll really need to do your homework. It's not as tolerant of mistakes in the process as older engines and you certainly don't want to trash that injection pump. There are those that have been successful for many years with WVO.........but, the landscape is littered with the carcasses of those that failed. There is a group on DD that is adamant about the fact that WVO cannot be used in these engines without coking them. So, if you go that way.........make sure you use all techniques available for cleanliness and proper temperature.

The basic principle applies to all of them. The devil is in the details. They can get finicky at times.

...........let's not talk about that.........:(

Botnst 02-29-2008 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 1778922)
If you really want to go with WVO on that engine, you'll really need to do your homework. It's not as tolerant of mistakes in the process as older engines and you certainly don't want to trash that injection pump. There are those that have been successful for many years with WVO.........but, the landscape is littered with the carcasses of those that failed. There is a group on DD that is adamant about the fact that WVO cannot be used in these engines without coking them. So, if you go that way.........make sure you use all techniques available for cleanliness and proper temperature.

The basic principle applies to all of them. The devil is in the details. They can get finicky at times.

...........let's not talk about that.........:(

I meant the WVO as precursor to biodiesel -- the fuel that interests me.

Speculating here ...

IIRC, vegetable oil has lots of C=C and side chains while diesel is simpler -- alkenes, maybe? (Where's a chemist or chemical engineer when you need one?) So at high T & P and equal O2 availability, the straight WVO would be more susceptible to incomplete ignition and thus, greasy carbon sticking to things.

Worse, waste oil would pick-up soluble fats and proteins in the cooking process that could not be filtered (though could be centrifuged) -- old oil still smells like dead fish. Complex dissolved proteins and animal fats would probably affect ignition, too.

Anyway, that's speaking from a position of unpurified ignorance combined with idle speculation.

suginami 02-29-2008 10:14 PM

I'm really glad you bought this bad boy.

You deserve to be back in a Mercedes, and you'll be in a love affair with this W124 diesel for the rest of your life. :)

engatwork 02-29-2008 10:17 PM

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you'll be in a love affair with this W124 diesel for the rest of your life
yep

A264172 02-29-2008 10:24 PM

I'm jealous.

Brian Carlton 02-29-2008 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 1778928)
I meant the WVO as precursor to biodiesel -- the fuel that interests me.

Speculating here ...

IIRC, vegetable oil has lots of C=C and side chains while diesel is simpler -- alkenes, maybe? (Where's a chemist or chemical engineer when you need one?) So at high T & P and equal O2 availability, the straight WVO would be more susceptible to incomplete ignition and thus, greasy carbon sticking to things.

Worse, waste oil would pick-up soluble fats and proteins in the cooking process that could not be filtered (though could be centrifuged) -- old oil still smells like dead fish. Complex dissolved proteins and animal fats would probably affect ignition, too.

Anyway, that's speaking from a position of unpurified ignorance combined with idle speculation.

Well, the WVO approach is not my specialty either.

However, it's clear to me that the folks that are successful filter meticulously and ensure that the oil is always at a sufficiently high temperature. They don't suffer any ongoing issues that are apparent in daily operation..........however, I can't say that any of them have driven 100K trouble free miles with the stuff.

Biodiesel is a completely different animal and you'd have no issues with that other than the cost.

Larry Delor 02-29-2008 10:53 PM

What a nice price to pay for a car I have lusted after in the past.

Congratulations - you will enjoy it! :)

djugurba 02-29-2008 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 1778915)
I've been looking at biodiesel for a couple of years now and this finally gives me the chance to play. The use of cooking oil reaches it's pinnacle in AR, MS, LA & ETEX, so getting WVO should be no problemo. I'd like to get into the nuts & bolts of it so I'll dust-off the old Morrison & Boyd and see what I can relearn after a 35 year pause. Gawd, I hated organic! But I think I can relearn enough to play around with a chemistry set.

Step one: Goggles.

I always did better in Bio and Physics than in Chem, but I managed a few batches of flawless bio a few years ago. As with anything... crap in/crap out.. make a batch or so with virgin oil before trying waste. My SDL loved the clean daily changed non hydrogenated canola oil I got from the taco stand in atlanta.

Here is a new home for you:
http://biodiesel.infopop.cc/6/ubb.x?a=cfrm&s=447609751

let's see how fast you can get to 20,000 posts over there!

Congrats- sounds like a super find.


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