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Old 04-29-2008, 12:38 AM
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This is a point of view I haven't heard before. Is this man's concern common among African-Americans?


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Old 04-29-2008, 06:41 AM
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I listened for a minute or two, does he say anything more than Wright is jealous of Obama? I got that in the first 5 seconds--why go on and on and on...
One of the main problems I have with Rev Wright is his proclaiming the old myth that whitey invented AIDS to kill blacks. This is a myth created by the KGB and has been fully acknowledged and documented since the fall of the USSR---why does it keep getting traction among supposedly educated blacks?
Does believing a lie help his credibility?
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I listened for a minute or two, does he say anything more than Wright is jealous of Obama? I got that in the first 5 seconds--why go on and on and on...
One of the main problems I have with Rev Wright is his proclaiming the old myth that whitey invented AIDS to kill blacks. This is a myth created by the KGB and has been fully acknowledged and documented since the fall of the USSR---why does it keep getting traction among supposedly educated blacks?
Does believing a lie help his credibility?
I guess it gets traction with educated blacks because they recall the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment.
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Old 04-29-2008, 08:25 AM
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I listened to the audio of the Q&A after his speech yesterday. The combination of his self-indulgent, dismissive answers to the questions and the crowd cheering him on was deadly. He said things that were mildly funny and not terribly imaginative and some people in the crowd just went crazy for him. The moderator had to keep trying to get the crowd to shut up so that she could ask the questions. It was awful. It's a long way to November, but right now it's looking more and more like a McCain presidency, which is just ridiculous.
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Old 04-29-2008, 04:43 PM
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I listened to the audio of the Q&A after his speech yesterday. The combination of his self-indulgent, dismissive answers to the questions and the crowd cheering him on was deadly. He said things that were mildly funny and not terribly imaginative and some people in the crowd just went crazy for him. The moderator had to keep trying to get the crowd to shut up so that she could ask the questions. It was awful. It's a long way to November, but right now it's looking more and more like a McCain presidency, which is just ridiculous.
I just listened to the vid. in the OP and while it was a bit redundant and lengthy, the guy is exactly right and I'm glad to hear a brother lay it down like that. I've experienced Wright's sort of pugnacious black pride before and it's a tough one.

I'm thinking that the best route for Nov. is Hillary/Obama. Clinton is older and IS more experienced, Obama is too badly wounded to win it all. Hillary and Bill would never settle for the vice presidency while Obama at least has a logical reason to do so, as he was merely a state legislator in the recent past.

McCain has plenty of dirt in his pen, Hagee can be seen on video making remarks on Catholocism every bit as rude as Maher and less rational. And, McCain is dirty as sin with lobbyists.

On the flip side, one more 'Bush term' ought to make it clear (at the expense of major damage to the nation) that the Repo vision as currently practiced is just not sound.
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...I'm thinking that the best route for Nov. is Hillary/Obama...
I don't see how Hillary and Obama can run on the same ticket. She is on record as saying that she and McCain are qualified to be Commander in Chief. She also strongly implied that Obama is not qualified. How can she ever support him for President or Vice President?

That comment alone is probably enough for me to not vote for Hillary if she is nominated. A vote for Hillary would only reward her recent atrocious behavior. I used to be a strong Hillary supporter, but I believe that I have gotten off that bus for good.

And what was she thinking when she said that McCain is qualified to be CinC? Even if it's true, and it's not, why would a potential Democratic candidate concede such an important point?
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Old 04-29-2008, 06:10 PM
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I just listened to the vid. in the OP and while it was a bit redundant and lengthy, the guy is exactly right and I'm glad to hear a brother lay it down like that. I've experienced Wright's sort of pugnacious black pride before and it's a tough one.


WHAT???!!! He is throwing fuel on the fires of racial hatred.

I have to wonder. He is singlehandedly driving Obama's campaign into the ditch, the Rightwing NJ's are rubbing their hands with glee as they stand by and watch the slow motion trainwreck. Wright is doing their dirty work for them. Does he not know that? Both he and Al Sharpton may just as well publicly come out in praise of Mc Cain for President.

For a country obsessed with American Idol, Brittney Spears,
Lindsey and Miley Cyrus or whover that latest one is, and the Media that panders to it, this spectacle is manna fron Heaven. For Obama it is a disaster, and he better move quick to put it behind him, otherwise it will get played endlessly, to his great detriment.

If Obama can't contain this, there is a pretty good chance that he will get tossed on the dustheap of history, very soon....

I think Obama should find a way to call out Jeremy Wright, and Al Sharpton unequivocally as horrible lifetime black racists and totally disavow them and their views for all time.

Otherwise it will be "game over" for him.

Has he not remembered that Jesse Jackson's so-called "Rainbow Coalition" of 1984 was basically all BLACK?


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I'm thinking that the best route for Nov. is Hillary/Obama.
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McCain has plenty of dirt in his pen, Hagee can be seen on video making remarks on Catholocism every bit as rude as Maher and less rational. And, McCain is dirty as sin with lobbyists.
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On the flip side, one more 'Bush term' ought to make it clear (at the expense of major damage to the nation) that
the Repo vision as currently practiced is just not sound.

I spewed Diet Dr Pepper out of my mouth onto my keyboard when I read that one.

If not delivered with a keenly honed sense of Berkeley irony, it is the gross understatement of the year, artfully pronounced.
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Old 04-29-2008, 08:27 AM
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I guess it gets traction with educated blacks because they recall the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment.
Right. His statements on the subject are over the top, but what do people expect? Our government did some really, really bad things. Do people really expect that there won't be lingering hostility about it?
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Old 04-29-2008, 08:39 AM
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Barak Hussein Obama can only hope that Limbaugh will tire of Mr Wright because nothing BHO says will satisfy anybody.

If he disavows Mr Wright then he will alienate a significant number of people who had to be conviced BHO was "black enough". By disavowing Mr Write's conspiracy theories BHO becomes more like whitey. Not good.

If he fails to disavow Mr Wright then Barak Hussein Obama alienates the whites who support him because they believe he's a "magic negro" rather than the more threatening (to them) African-American man.

If BHO says he just attended Mr Right's church for social reasons then he alienates the Christians who don't like it when people use their religion for social climbing & politics (though it is probably more common than attending church for religious purposes!).

IF BHO says he agrees with Mr Write's theology and attended for sincere worship then BHO alienates traditional whitey Christians.

The best thing that can happen to Barak Hussen Obama is that time brings some other tempest in a teapot forward that engages his opponent defensively and that Mr Wright STFU.

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Barak Hussein Obama can only hope that Limbaugh will tire of Mr Wright because nothing BHO says will satisfy anybody.

If he disavows Mr Wright then he will alienate a significant number of people who had to be conviced BHO was "black enough". By disavowing Mr Write's conspiracy theories BHO becomes more like whitey. Not good.

If he fails to disavow Mr Wright then Barak Hussein Obama alienates the whites who support him because they believe he's a "magic negro" rather than the more threatening (to them) African-American man.

If BHO says he just attended Mr Right's church for social reasons then he alienates the Christians who don't like it when people use their religion for social climbing & politics (though it is probably more common than attending church for religious purposes!).

IF BHO says he agrees with Mr Write's theology and attended for sincere worship then BHO alienates traditional whitey Christians.

The best thing that can happen to Barak Hussen Obama is that time brings some other tempest in a teapot forward that engages his opponent defensively and that Mr Wright STFU.

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Perfect analysis. This is an excellent test of Obama's strategists, as it is the quintessential damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don't quagmire. I'm sure that they're praying that Bill is caught dry-humping another government clerk.
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Right. His statements on the subject are over the top, but what do people expect? Our government did some really, really bad things. Do people really expect that there won't be lingering hostility about it?
Healing these rifts will take many more years. Add to that the fact that walking/driving while black is much more likely to invite police surveillance/interaction than for other races, it's definitely going to take a long time for black people to relax and think rationally.

Wright loves the spotlight, I disliked the guy the instant I saw the video clips, bombastic and thundering while reading from a text -- contrived all to hell.

The only thing I can say in his support, he's done a fair amount of inspiring black people to lift themselves up by their bootstraps. I believe he is correct in pointing out that our supposedly Christian nation doesn't seem to get the old line 'as ye sow so shall ye reap' and that we are way too certain that God is in our corner at all times, no matter what.
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Carol Simpson on Larry King last night said she thinks Wright is plain and simply mad at Obama and swinging back.

Did you catch his remarks at the Wash. Press Corps yesterday. Pretty sarcastic!
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I guess it gets traction with educated blacks because they recall the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment.
Not to be dismissive, but I would think most EDUCATED
blacks would be able to discern the difference from a single documented (admittedly horrible) incident that occurred in the 1940s from a modern. groundless, wild conspiracy theory.

Wouldn't you?
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Not to be dismissive, but I would think most EDUCATED
blacks would be able to discern the difference from a single documented (admittedly horrible) incident that occurred in the 1940s from a modern. groundless, wild conspiracy theory.

Wouldn't you?
a single documented incident in the unfortunate saga of the blacks in the Americas. Obama is educated and I would guess he thinks things like this are still possible, otherwise he would have stopped going to the church. I would love to hear what Woody Allen thinks about this, he really understands 'America'.

I just don't understand how anyone could go to that church, listening to that man rant and rave and scold would be too much for me. I believe Wrights mum was one of the first black vice-principals in the School District of Philadelphia, I bet she was good!
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a single documented incident in the unfortunate saga of the blacks in the Americas. Obama is educated and I would guess he thinks things like this are still possible, otherwise he would have stopped going to the church. I would love to hear what Woody Allen thinks about this, he really understands 'America'.

I just don't understand how anyone could go to that church, listening to that man rant and rave and scold would be too much for me. I believe Wrights mum was one of the first black vice-principals in the School District of Philadelphia, I bet she was good!
Have you listened to Barak Hussein Obama's news conference? He commented on this very subject.

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