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450slcguy 05-16-2008 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim (Post 1857272)
So there is proof that Bush and Cheney manipulated the oil prices for his buddies to get a kickback?

Oil is 6x as expensive since they took office. Gas is almost $4.00 a gallon.

How much proof do you need.

aklim 05-16-2008 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 450slcguy (Post 1857319)
Oil is 6x as expensive since they took office. Gas is almost $4.00 a gallon.

How much proof do you need.

Oil is $120. So it was $20 a barrel in 2000?

Well, I'd like to see something that would say stand up in a court perhaps?

450slcguy 05-16-2008 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry (Post 1857270)
Do you think those who live in the world of corporate oil are happy or unhappy over the price of oil?

Happy would be an understatement. Rolling over in jubilation might come close.

450slcguy 05-16-2008 05:05 PM

Well, I'd like to see something that would say stand up in a court perhaps?[/QUOTE]



How soon some forget. Choke on this

http://www.wtrg.com/oil_graphs/oilprice1970.gif


http://www.wtrg.com/oil_graphs/oilprice1869.gif[QUOTE=aklim;1857322]Oil is $120. So it was $20 a barrel in 2000?

aklim 05-16-2008 05:18 PM

Inflation adjusted it is
Year actual price adjusted price
2000 $27.39 $33.39

http://www.inflationdata.com/inflation/inflation_rate/Historical_Oil_Prices_Table.asp

Still, that doesn't prove that Bush did something to make it that way for his nefarious gains, does it? Or is it because it is Bush that we don't need solid proof but coincidences and innuendos?

Matt L 05-16-2008 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim (Post 1857338)
Inflation adjusted it is
Year actual price adjusted price
2000 $27.39 $33.39

http://www.inflationdata.com/inflation/inflation_rate/Historical_Oil_Prices_Table.asp

Still, that doesn't prove that Bush did something to make it that way for his nefarious gains, does it? Or is it because it is Bush that we don't need solid proof but coincidences and innuendos?

I would love to see disproof in the form of Cheney's energy meeting notes.

aklim 05-16-2008 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt L (Post 1857384)
I would love to see disproof in the form of Cheney's energy meeting notes.

So unlike Citizen Joe, he has to prove his innocence? Did I miss some memo

Matt L 05-16-2008 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim (Post 1857399)
So unlike Citizen Joe, he has to prove his innocence? Did I miss some memo

Did I say that? I spoke a wish that I do not expect to be fulfilled.

MTI 05-16-2008 07:19 PM

BTW, according to reports, the Saudis did agree to slightly increase production. The country will raise output by 300,000 barrels a day, or 3.3 percent, to 9.45 million barrels a day in June 2008. It is a "token" increase, but it is not zero.

Larry Delor 05-16-2008 08:56 PM

I find myself a little confused. I was under the impression that the reason fuel prices are so high, was because of demand, and that the refineries were already running at 100% capacity.
Suddenly, it sounds like it is lack of supply of crude.

btw....I heard the same story on the radio today, about Bush asking OPEC to increase production, and him being told that there was no need. It was also mentioned that OPEC quietly increased output anyway.

I suppose monday's crude price might be more telling.

tankdriver 05-17-2008 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim (Post 1857399)
So unlike Citizen Joe, he has to prove his innocence? Did I miss some memo

The policies of the administration should not be secret from the people they are supposed to be beholden to. Also, executive privilege does not and should not extend to the VP's office.

This is equivalent to Obama telling people his plans for the war or dealings with Iran are none of our business.

aklim 05-17-2008 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by tankdriver (Post 1857651)
The policies of the administration should not be secret from the people they are supposed to be beholden to. Also, executive privilege does not and should not extend to the VP's office.

This is equivalent to Obama telling people his plans for the war or dealings with Iran are none of our business.

Yes, you are right. However, my point is that if you accuse him of something nefarious, it is your job to prove he did it not that he has to somehow prove that he didn't.


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