Very.


Who cares, Isreal can take care of themselves and Europe can go F itself.

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So Iran is about where we were 60 years ago, pretty sad.

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Maybe in another 100 years they will be able to play in the big boy sandbox, doubt it though.:D I hope they lob a nuke at Isreal, that would be a perfect time to solve this entire Middle East problem with one phone call on a certain red phone. Think giant glass floor pumping station.:D:cool:

I couldn't find anywhere that explains how Iran plans to flood the market with cheap oil and how that would collapse our economy. Think about it for a minute. It really makes no sense. It would be in Iran's interest to jack up the price of oil, not reduce it, if they want to harm us.

Obama really said that? What context was it in?

Europe would love to go f itself. Like I said they don't want the missile shield and it's being forced on them. In the Czech Republic 70% of the people are against it. The opposition might be even higher in Poland.

I agree that Israel can defend itself though I don't think nuking the ME would actually help us in any way as oil flow from that region would cease. Not to mention someone else who has interests in ME could potentially retaliate against us.

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I agree. If they think they can go toe-to-toe militarily with the US and/or Israel they are sadly mistaken.

Not a bad idea. Then Israel would be able to go at them with the gloves off and wipe them all out. Won't hurt my feelings at all.

They don't have to because we tend to handicap ourselves in that respect.

My feeling is that neither the US nor Israel have the ability, at least not right now, to perform a full-scale invasion of Iran. It would end up worse than Vietnam.

Ability as defined by what? We can see that you have a bunch of huge guns and I have a knife. If you are afraid to use it, my knife is going to work better. We don't have the stones for it. You can talk all the sophisticated bombers, nukes, missiles that can hit a particular stamp on a wall, etc, etc.

Ability as defined in the number of available ground troops (and probably equipment too) and the financial cost that we can't afford.

Nukes are very cheap. Reduces the ground troops and little equipment. So, do you have the stones to use it or will you insist on using conventional warfare with huge number of troops, equipment, etc, etc? Like I said, if we had the stones to fight a "no holds barred" war, we can win it. If you want to fight with conditions, probably not even if we didn't have Iraq and Afghanistan and double the number off troops and money.

Yep, looks like Iraq will be winding down in a few years, so they are getting nervious, since all of a sudden we will have some free forces.

However we don't need to invade Iran to make them collapse. The people are actualy pretty liberal, we just need to put pressure on the government, which we are doing as these missle tests show. Iran will implode on its own, we just need to help it along.

Worst case we have to beat up their "navy" a bit, and I am sure the 5th fleet is more than up to that task.

Lets not forget that Irans Navy and Airforce is a joke. So they have no ability to project any force. Other than commiting suicide by lobbing a nuke.

Yep, I would think it could be done in a week or less. They really don't have anything that could seriously challenge our Navy or Air force. Sure they might get a few of ours at first, but the capability of our Navy and Air forces are far superior in tactics, technology and numbers they wouldn't stand a chance. Bloody their noses bad enough and they will run like hell.

As far as US assets/capabilities are concerned, our Navy/Air Force is practically untouched in Iraq and Afghanistan. We've got plenty of ships and planes to commit, they would overwhelmed in a very short time.

Again, we have the money and personnel. We don't have the stones to do whatever it takes. They do.