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Old 07-10-2008, 02:30 PM
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House #1

A 20 room mansion (not including 8 bathrooms) heated by natural gas. Add on a pool (and a pool house) and a separate guest house, all heated by gas. In one month this residence consumes more energy than the average American household does in a year. The average bill for electricity and natural gas runs over $2400. In natural gas alone, this property consumes more than 12 times the national average for an American home. This house is not situated in the Northern or Midwestern 'Snow Belt' area. It is in the South.

House # 2
Designed by an architecture professor at a leading national university. This house incorporates every 'green' feature current home construction can provide.. The house is 4,000 square feet (4 bedrooms) and is nestled on a high prairie in the American southwest. A central closet in the house holds geothermal heat-pumps drawing ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into the ground.

The water (usually 67 degrees F.) heats the house in the winter and cools it in the summer. The system uses no fossil fuels such as oil or natural gas and it consumes one-quarter of the electricity required for a conventional heating/cooling system. Rainwater from the roof is collected and funneled into a 25,000 gallon underground cistern. Wastewater from showers, sinks and toilets goes into underground purifying tanks and then into the cistern. The collected water then irrigates the land surrounding the house. Surrounding flowers and shrubs native to the area enable the property to blend into the surrounding rural landscape.



House #1 is outside of Nashville, TN; it is the 'humble' abode of the infamous 'environmentalist', Al Gore ..

HOUSE # 2 is on a ranch near Crawford, TX; it is the residence of the President of the United States, George W. Bush.


An 'incovenient truth'??

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I'd question the residents.
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Old news but I give Junior credit for it....
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I like the second house though as it is more visually appealing.
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the beauty of it is it makes since. my dad is a conservative person, in the truest since. he is conservative in politics and in the environment, he always had us recycling. my dad (mechanical and civil engineer) is in the process of designing his own ranch. his goal is to keep the power load as small as possible because he is responsible for running the power lines because his land is to far from the existing grid. so building (to use the new trendy term) "Green" makes since.

I bet you anything that is why G.W.s house is the way it is. because it makes since.
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do you all remember your history classes that taught you about the history of the catholic church? do you remember how part of the church corruption that led to Martin Luther and his 94 points, was to sell access to heaven? selling indulgences.

well Al Gore can sleep easy at night in his big polluting house because he buys indulgences... in the form of carbon credits.


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indulgences and carbon credits... both worthless ideas. be responsible for your own actions.
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$2400 per year for electricity and gas? I wish my bills were that low.
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$2400 per year for electricity and gas? I wish my bills were that low.
that was a monthly cost..........
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Add the electric bill for a medium-sized office to that of your house, and you'll get to his level.

Snopes had a nice write-up about this particular and fairly-old email blast. This can't be the first you've seen of this. Unless you're really not paying attention, you should have seen it here.
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Add the electric bill for a medium-sized office to that of your house, and you'll get to his level.

Snopes had a nice write-up about this particular and fairly-old email blast. This can't be the first you've seen of this. Unless you're really not paying attention, you should have seen it here.
Did Snopes disprove it or is it accurate? What does an office have to do with the comparison being made? Does Gore's house contain a "medium sized" office and Bush's doesn't? And what is a medium sized office? A couple hundred square feet? Or a couple thousand?
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Did Snopes disprove it or is it accurate? What does an office have to do with the comparison being made? Does Gore's house contain a "medium sized" office and Bush's doesn't? And what is a medium sized office? A couple hundred square feet? Or a couple thousand?
The original report is accurate on its face, but uses a very bad comparison.

What indeed is this "medium sized" office? Read the report from Snopes and you will find out just who works out of that house. If Gore and his wife had offices away from home, would people be adding his office energy bill in with that of his home to make the same point? If so, what should they add to the bill for the Bush ranch?
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The original report is accurate on its face, but uses a very bad comparison.

What indeed is this "medium sized" office? Read the report from Snopes and you will find out just who works out of that house. If Gore and his wife had offices away from home, would people be adding his office energy bill in with that of his home to make the same point? If so, what should they add to the bill for the Bush ranch?
I think the point of the report is the use of "green" technology, not the cost of running the respective houses. It's the irony that Gore clangs all the global warming alarm bells telling everybody to conserve and "go green" but he doesn't do it his self. Why couldn't he throw up a few solar panels or something?
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that is exactly the point. not that he uses the energy. its that hes not using the energy as effectively as he could.
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I think the point of the report is the use of "green" technology, not the cost of running the respective houses. It's the irony that Gore clangs all the global warming alarm bells telling everybody to conserve and "go green" but he doesn't do it his self. Why couldn't he throw up a few solar panels or something?
I don't know whether Gore has any solar panels on his house, and furthermore I don't care one way or the other. I do, however, have an idea of how much solar panels cost in the real world and how long that you need to have them installed for them to be feasible.

I'd like to know how much all this green technology costs. I would wager that my full salary for the year (including taxes) wouldn't buy his furnace.
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a lot of the "green" concepts described in the bush house is not all that uncommon, or expencive. how much money do you think it takes to collect the rain water that is coming out of the gutters on your house?

using ground temperature to control the temperature in your house is not an extremely expencive process ether. My dad designed and built something like what the Bush house has back in the 80s for a friend of his. while digging the foundation for his house they ran a duct like 8 feet under the ground that ran the length of the house. a fan would blow through the duct and blow air that is ground temperature thought the house.

you don't need money to have a "green" house. just the foresight to build it that way.

and don't tell me Old Al couldn't have a more eco friendly house built. he has money for carbon credits. he could spend that money on a new house.

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