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Old 08-22-2008, 10:27 PM
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This is why you should lock your doors.

This is the most disgusting thing I have seen or read in my entire life.

Duncan jurors cringe at graphic videos

By Rebecca Boone
The Associated Press

BOISE — Jurors cringed, cried and some looked away as they were shown a series of disturbing and graphic videos taken by a convicted child killer as he tortured, sexually abused and nearly killed a 9-year-old boy.
Federal prosecutors showed the video as part of their efforts to persuade the jury to recommend the death penalty for Joseph Edward Duncan III. He kidnapped the boy, Dylan Groene, and his sister, Shasta, in May 2005 after murdering their older brother, mother and her fiancé. The two young children were taken deep into the Lolo National Forest, where they endured weeks of abuse at the hands of Duncan.
Duncan ultimately shot the boy point-blank in the head in front of his sister, then 8. He was arrested after returning to Coeur d'Alene, Idaho, where a waitress recognized Shasta as the two ate at a Denny's restaurant.
Duncan, who is representing himself in U.S. District Court, objected to showing the videos, saying that would "basically be turning the jury into my victims so I will be tried not by a jury of peers but by a jury of victims."
Judge Edward Lodge overruled Duncan's objection, as well as a last-minute request from Steven Groene, Shasta and Dylan's father, to close the courtroom to everyone but essential court personnel and one news-media representative.
Just before the video was played, the father approached some spectators, angrily motioning them out and making an obscene gesture when they stayed put. He left the courtroom before the video segments were played but at one point threatened to make a citizen's arrest of anyone watching because viewing child pornography is a crime.
Groene did prevail upon U.S. marshals guarding the courtroom to cover the windows on the door.
Once the video had been shown and he returned to the courtroom, he confronted some of those who had stayed, asking bitterly if they enjoyed it.
Duncan covered his face as parts of the video were shown, but often stared avidly at the monitor on the defense table, which also was showed the images. Jurors frequently shot him icy looks. Two of Duncan's standby lawyers avoided looking at the screen.
Duncan, a convicted pedophile originally from Tacoma, has pleaded guilty to federal and state counts including murder. The federal jury is considering the death penalty on charges related to the kidnappings and Dylan's murder, but he also could face execution on state counts in the other three killings.
After the video was shown, prosecutors called a man to the stand who testified that Duncan had raped him at gunpoint in 1980, when the man was just 14 years old.
Parts of the story seemed similar to some of Duncan's videotaped abuse of Dylan. Once that testimony was over, the judge called a recess to give jurors a break from the violent material.
U.S. Attorney Tom Moss then said he was done calling witnesses.
Duncan told the court he wanted to testify, but when he took the witness stand he said he only wanted to answer any questions that government lawyers might have. They were unable to cross-examine him, however, because court rules generally prohibit questioning a defendant about anything that wasn't raised in the defendant's direct testimony.
Duncan said he had no other witnesses to call.
Jurors were given instructions Thursday afternoon and are expected to hear closing arguments today before they begin deliberations, Lodge said.
If the jury finds Duncan is ineligible for the death penalty, the hearing will be over and he will be sentenced to life in prison without parole.
If the panel finds him eligible for capital punishment, the hearing will enter a second phase in which the government will try to convince the jury that Duncan should be executed while he will be able to present evidence to try to convince the jury that his life should be spared.

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Old 08-22-2008, 10:32 PM
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Old 08-22-2008, 10:36 PM
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That's a horrible tale. I hope the perp fries.
However, I didn't read the victim's doors weren't locked.
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Old 08-22-2008, 11:11 PM
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This is one of those cases where I would not want to see the perp fry. I would much rather he end up in jail with the general population there and find out first hand why they call it "the pokey", several times a day for the next 50 years.
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Old 08-23-2008, 04:06 AM
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death by dismemberment, ala drawing & quartering..........
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Old 08-23-2008, 06:46 AM
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That's a horrible tale. I hope the perp fries.
However, I didn't read the victim's doors weren't locked.
You have to use a search engine to get the details, they are so bad I won't post them.
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Old 08-23-2008, 07:20 AM
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General population will take care of him....save the tax payers lots of money.
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Old 08-23-2008, 08:05 AM
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We need an "egregious circumstances" clause in our judicial system that allows a jury to convict, then send the convicted straight to a firing squad.
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However moderate I may be with my political views, I could find it my heart to recommend death by hanging in a public square for this miscretant pdq. This guy isn't even worth the paperwork for prison. He's a dreadful waste of space on the planet. Be done with him...
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Old 08-23-2008, 09:56 AM
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You know, how do parents not just kill the perp when such things happen?
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Old 08-23-2008, 10:21 AM
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You know, how do parents not just kill the perp when such things happen?

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Old 08-23-2008, 01:53 PM
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You know, how do parents not just kill the perp when such things happen?
If he did that to my little cousin I'd ventilate his head with a .30 cal Carbine round. Bet I walk free in a year.



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Old 08-23-2008, 04:41 PM
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If he did that to my little cousin I'd ventilate his head with a .30 cal Carbine round. Bet I walk free in a year.
That's even if the DA decided to prosecute you. They call those things "Public Service Killings" and don't like to prosecute them


...and most juries would not like to find people guilty for that either.

But......... even if all that happened to you:



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I bet you would get out in under a year, too.



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Old 08-23-2008, 08:04 PM
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I remember the guy now after googling his photo. Waste of skin to be sure.

General population would be the ticket but they'd probably keep him in solitary for life.

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