When priests were being busted for molestation it was more than appropriate to discuss the Catholic Church in the context of current events in a civics class. Intelligent design is no different. It's adhered to by many thousands, probably millions of Americans. To ignore it is to intentionally blind students to an important characteristic of a sizable portion of the electorate.

Since science can't fill the voids enough to satisfy human curiosity, people turn to divine intervention. To some, it is better than enduring a vacuum of knowledge.

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I guess they are incapable of accepting an "I don't know answer" so to their feeble minds, they need an answer which religion is more than happy to supply them with. Simple and easy to understand. Assign everything to one being. No thinking required.

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Thats a common mistake among people that don't understand science. Evolution is and was never intended to explain where/how life came to exist, it only explains how life changed over time.

Its possible.

Proof? Lots. Go to a natural history museum sometime and have a look at the fossil record.

Wrong. It can be duplicated given enough time and the knowledge of exactly what needs to be done through trial and error. Breeding a wolf into a chihuahua is a cake job, breeding a snake into a monkey would take many more generations than several dozen people's lifetimes.

So that means we need to be teaching Scientology's take on life as well. All hail Lord Zenu! Just because people "believe" in something does not make it true. We shouldn't have to dilute our children's education with nonsense because there are some uneducated adults that still believe the storybook they were told as kids is true.

Pretty funny how people bristle at the idea of a plan connected to the origin of life, and automatically associate it with big bad organized religion, brain-washing, and other evils. It's just an abstract concept, so hopefully nobody will call the ACLU.

Some people don't like the answer "no solution to this puzzle". That doesn't automatically make them feeble bible-thumpers.

The only time "I don't know" is a good answer is when it's followed by "but I'll find out." Unfortunately, the answer is not forthcoming from academia any time soon. I wish it was.

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That means "no", dude. Dog and cat breeds are a perfect example of the intelligent design though. Many were made from breeder's experiments, not natural evolution.

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science taught in a classroom changes at the most recent ideas of "scientists". So every few years the ideas change. Ya know the Bible never changes. It talks about the hydrologic cycle way back in the Old Testament. science didn't "discover" that until a few hundred years ago.

Like the idea of recapitulation. (the fetus goes thru all the stages of evolution in the womb as shown by Earnst Haeckel-circa 1850)
only thing is it was proven to be a fraud in his lifetime, yet it is still used in textbooks today, 150 years later.
(Evolution is rife with hoaxes) Piltdown man, Nebraska man, Lucy, etc.

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dark people were spawned by the curse of Ham? I don't think so. reread your Bible. There is no curse of Ham in the Bible. God cursed Caanan his son but it does not say it was with black skin.
Evolution is a racists philosophy. Hitler loved it cause it allowed him to kill "lower species" than Arians. read the title of Darwins book, "Origin of the Species by means of natural selection or the preservation of favored races in the struggle for life".

slavery? that is not when someone was kidnapped and sold but rather sold themselves into slavery due to debt they couldn't pay, much like we do today to a job so we can make house payments.

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science, real science is putting people on the moon. building computers, finding cures to diseases, learning about DNA. pseudo science is guessing what happened a billion years ago and putting a date stamp on a fossil, like the archeologist was there when it died or something.
I think I got a handle on real science. false science is thinking a reptile can grow wings and fly. do you know how complex a feather is, or the human eye, or the (not so) ordinary human cell. there is enough information coded in a cell lto fill a library full of books.

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If you stick your head in the sand and keep repeating the same garbage you learned in high school you will never learn anything. you sound like an intelligent person but to say look at the fossil record at any museum is like saying you trust the liberal media.
what you are saying is every species evolved at the same geographical location and of two genders and at the same time?, of all the different species? come on! Cinderella is hardly comparable to the Bible. do you know the odds of even 10 of the "coincidences" about Jesus' life and death. I seem to recall billions to one, but there were some 300 prophecies in the Old Testament that came true in the life and death of Jesus Christ. that ain't no coincidence.

SO if you can state for me ONE FACT about evolution that is true, you could be a rich man, because I know someone who will pay $250,000 to anyone who can present imperical evidence that evolution is true.
I have a book of 990 pages I will give you that refutes EVERY SHRED OF EVIDENCE about evolution there ever was.
just tell me how the universe began. (big bang-not possible for nothing to explode)
how did the first cell come into existance(pond scum and lightning?-not possible-all amino acids in humans must be left handed or it will not work), reptiles grew wings with feathers?(can't happen with out NEW information, where did that come from? carbon dating? (has been proven to be unreliable, also they throw out the dates that do not fit their profile).
The geologic column only exists in textbooks, not consistant in the earth, some older layers are overtop younger ones. should I go on?

Besides I know the guy who was there when it happened and he told us how he did it.

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Is evolution true, or is Jesus the creator. (John 1:1-3)
I would rather trust Jesus on this one,
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Sorry, I didn't read the whole thread and I don't want to as I already participated in a mega-thread on this topic some time ago, but I have a question. What does ID say about the human appendix, tail bone & wisdom teeth? What is their godly purpose?

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You are absolutely right. Science is inherently falsifiable. That's we we call it "science" and we don't call it, "faith".

Falsifiability means that any given scientific hypothesis can be disproven. Thus, frauds are exposed. Wrong theories can be discarded and knowledge of the material world advances.

Disproving an hypothesis does not prove the opposite. It is only a step in refining understanding of the material universe. Science cannot address the existence of God because, to my knowledge, nobody has proposed a falsifiable God Hypothesis. I'm ready when you are.

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You're assuming that the 250K offer is genuine. In fact, it is ingenuous as it will never be awarded no matter what evidence is given. Who is to be the judge (especially with Ham in jail)?

And while you have forgotten (or never knew) what science is about, note that we aren't trying to prove that the Theory of Evolution is true. Truth is not nearly as important as predictive qualities. If the Theory does indeed make predictions that can be falsified (yet are not), it is useful.

Evolution is not a theory. It is a fact. The Theory of Evolution attempts to tell how it worked.

Evolution doesn't explain it, but it presumes that life and the common ancestor emerged, undirected and naturally, from simple non-living substances. The first version of abiogenesis, stating that life self-started rather suddenly, was discredited. The newer theory adds a few million or billion years to give the building blocks of life more time to slowly develop and combine. I think a few more million years would only turn the premordial soup into a nasty stew.

Evolution denies the existence of a supreme being, but why couldn't we have evolved from a singular finely engineered cell?

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Evolution is and says NONE of these things. These are straw-man arguments used by detractors.

Evolution does NOT presume where life came from. It could have been an alien ship that dropped a skin flake. It could have been YOUR DEITY! Evolution is not simply a way to live life without a god while feeling good about yourself.

False.

Evolution has no need of God, real or not. It is a theory concerning physical reality. If God is within the domain of physical reality then God is falsifiable. I'm more than willing to work with you on a proof, if you have need of such.

Most believers that I know have no need of proof of God. To them, it is an issue of faith. I'm okay with that. But if we are going to talk about how God cranked-up the evolutionary engine or how he directs it then we have a need for proof of that functional relationship that is falsifiable. Either that or it ain't science. No way, no how.

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Well, Duh! How would it ever change? The people who wrote it are long dead. Still, is that a good thing? I suppose if we had kept with the idea that the sun moved around the earth, we too could say we don't change. Is that a good thing?

What textbooks use it besides to show what people thought? Is that what they teach in Medical School today as the way things work?

How different is it when you say that the bible said this, that or the other when we don't even have the original writings. Even if we did, isn't it hearsay? We are saying that after translation after translation, X said this is what Y said.

What has the complexity got to do with anything? Because you can't understand it doesn't mean it cannot happen or be done.

Nostradamus has a few that came true too. However, that would depend on your interpretation of what he said. The OT has had so much time to clean it's act up, it could me made to sound real accurate.

In what scientific journal is this book mentioned?

Same old argument. I cannot explain it therefore what you say must be true.

OK. Lets meet then. You, me and this guy that told you it was true. Let me hear it from him personally.

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