UFO's Yea - Nay

[Medmech]

I was watching a show about UFO's on ABC last night and there is much evidence to dispute UFO claims while many claims are unexplained. My personal UFO experience was black V type objects flying low in the Mojave desert while training at NTC, it turns out that it was the B-2 bomber that was still secret.

What I cannot figure out for the life of me is how all the these former military folks talk about cleaning up secret wreckage. How do they get a release from their oath? the fact that they are talking tells me that they are full of $hit.

[raymr]

Saw one in the late 60's. My neighbors and I still remember the bright stationary light in the sky, and a series of smaller red lights descended from it into the woods behind their house. It lasted for at least a half hour.

[RichC]

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Inflate a glow in the dark condom with helium.

Insert a few glow sticks.

Tie it to a string.

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If you get lucky, the next day there will be pictures in the paper.


RichC

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[Botnst]

I saw all kinda ***** flying around in the '60's. I couldn't identify any of it, but it was groovy, baby!

[raymr]

Originally Posted by Botnst

I saw all kinda ***** flying around in the '60's. I couldn't identify any of it, but it was groovy, baby!

That would be a sensible explanation, but mushrooms and LSD were still beyond the reach of this innocent 12 year old.

[SwampYankee]

Originally Posted by Howitzer

I was watching a show about UFO's on ABC last night and there is much evidence to dispute UFO claims while many claims are unexplained.

My wife watched that last night while I was watching the Sox lose and was all freaked out.

I'm in the "maybe" category. I don't really think about it much but I just can't believe that we're the only things out there in the universe.

[pj67coll]

Ask an amateur astronomer. You'll not find one who'se ever seen an "unidentified" flying object. And there is no group of people who spend more time skywatching then them. Not a professional mind you. All they ever do is stare at computer screens.

- Peter.

[kip Foss]

Until someone has physical proof of either a body or a craft it is all just speculation. That said, if you have ever seen the pyramids or the moi on Easter Island or the Nazca lines in Peru or the thousand other natural oddities in this world that defy explanation, then aliens is the only explanation.

[Botnst]

I was abducted once by a female spce alien.

She turned me into a newt.

I got better.

B

[Idolotor]

It still amazes me how many "simpletons" still believe in the whole ufo hoax(s). There isn't, and never has been ONE shred of evidence that has been proven real, in all of mankinds history. I.E. - crop circles, fake alien bodies, flying hubcaps, etc, etc, etc...

Talk about people living in a "dream world"...

The numbers on this poll indicate something scary. You guys believe in undocumented, make believe creatures from outer space...

I hope you have your "foil hats" on, so the creatures don't send you any unwanted telepathic signals!

Dr. Michael Shermer Phd. debunks pseudoscience, ufos, and other popular "myths" of our time in his book "Why People Believe Weird Things".

Dr. Shermer received his B.A. in psychology from Pepperdine University, M.A. in experimental psychology from California State University, Fullerton, and his Ph.D. in the history of science from Claremont Graduate University (1991). He was a college professor for 20 years (1979–1998), teaching psychology, evolution, and the history of science at Occidental College (1989–1998), California State University Los Angeles, and Glendale College. Since his creation of the Skeptics Society, Skeptic magazine, and the Skeptics Distinguished Science Lecture Series at Caltech, he has appeared on such shows as The Colbert Report, 20/20, Dateline, Charlie Rose, Larry King Live, Tom Snyder, Donahue, Oprah, Lezza, Unsolved Mysteries (but, proudly, never Jerry Springer!), and other shows as a skeptic of weird and extraordinary claims, as well as interviews in countless documentaries aired on PBS, A&E, Discovery, The History Channel, The Science Channel, and The Learning Channel. Shermer was the co-host and co-producer of the 13-hour Family Channel television series, Exploring the Unknown.

[Botnst]

Originally Posted by Idolotor

It still amazes me how many "simpletons" still believe in the whole ufo hoax(s). There isn't, and never has been ONE shred of evidence that has been proven real, in all of mankinds history. I.E. - crop circles, fake alien bodies, flying hubcaps, etc, etc, etc...

Talk about people living in a "dream world"...

The numbers on this poll indicate something scary. You guys believe in undocumented, make believe creatures from outer space...

I hope you have your "foil hats" on, so the creatures don't send you any unwanted telepathic signals!

Dr. Michael Shermer Phd. debunks pseudoscience, ufos, and other popular "myths" of our time in his book "Why People Believe Weird Things".

Dr. Shermer received his B.A. in psychology from Pepperdine University, M.A. in experimental psychology from California State University, Fullerton, and his Ph.D. in the history of science from Claremont Graduate University (1991). He was a college professor for 20 years (1979–1998), teaching psychology, evolution, and the history of science at Occidental College (1989–1998), California State University Los Angeles, and Glendale College. Since his creation of the Skeptics Society, Skeptic magazine, and the Skeptics Distinguished Science Lecture Series at Caltech, he has appeared on such shows as The Colbert Report, 20/20, Dateline, Charlie Rose, Larry King Live, Tom Snyder, Donahue, Oprah, Lezza, Unsolved Mysteries (but, proudly, never Jerry Springer!), and other shows as a skeptic of weird and extraordinary claims, as well as interviews in countless documentaries aired on PBS, A&E, Discovery, The History Channel, The Science Channel, and The Learning Channel. Shermer was the co-host and co-producer of the 13-hour Family Channel television series, Exploring the Unknown.

But does he still ride in the "Way-Back" machine?

[LUVMBDiesels]

I believe that there is intelligent life out there As Car Sagan said " there are billions and billions of stars i the galaxy"

I also believe that some of them have reach a level of technology that make us look like cave dwellers. They are probably zipping along in hyperspace or using warp drive or some such (after all NASA is working on hyper drives right now and IBM is developing a matter transporter)

Have they come here? Maybe in the past.
Would they come here now that we have
1) nuclear wepons
2) NORAD and satellites scanning the sky
3) written 10000000000 books and movies about them

I bet not. I bet they have put hyperspace cones all around the Solar System that say
"CAUTION DANGEROUS AND UNPREDICTABLE BEINGS AHEAD. DO NOT STOP"

[Fulcrum525]

Originally Posted by LUVMBDiesels

I believe that there is intelligent life out there As Car Sagan said " there are billions and billions of stars i the galaxy"


I bet not. I bet they have put hyperspace cones all around the Solar System that say
"CAUTION DANGEROUS AND UNPREDICTABLE BEINGS AHEAD. DO NOT STOP"

"There are more stars in the Universe then there are grains of sand on all the beachs of the world"

Good one. Our civilization is very inefficient and we are frighteningly good at killing each other.

[450slcguy]

I believe the "aliens" probably live under our oceans. Possibly an advanced civilization that has lived on Earth for many many millenniums, if not longer.

Even perhaps not aliens at all, but terrestrial to this planet. Who's to say that during our 4+ billion year history another civilization hasn't existed with tecnology that dwarfs our own.

When you think about it, our written history only goes back a few thousand years out of 4+ billion. We're barely a sentence in a book containing a million of pages.

[chetwesley]

Originally Posted by Idolotor

It still amazes me how many "simpletons" still believe in the whole ufo hoax(s). There isn't, and never has been ONE shred of evidence that has been proven real, in all of mankinds history. I.E. - crop circles, fake alien bodies, flying hubcaps, etc, etc, etc...

Talk about people living in a "dream world"...

The numbers on this poll indicate something scary. You guys believe in undocumented, make believe creatures from outer space...

I hope you have your "foil hats" on, so the creatures don't send you any unwanted telepathic signals!

Dr. Michael Shermer Phd. debunks pseudoscience, ufos, and other popular "myths" of our time in his book "Why People Believe Weird Things".

Dr. Shermer received his B.A. in psychology from Pepperdine University, M.A. in experimental psychology from California State University, Fullerton, and his Ph.D. in the history of science from Claremont Graduate University (1991). He was a college professor for 20 years (1979–1998), teaching psychology, evolution, and the history of science at Occidental College (1989–1998), California State University Los Angeles, and Glendale College. Since his creation of the Skeptics Society, Skeptic magazine, and the Skeptics Distinguished Science Lecture Series at Caltech, he has appeared on such shows as The Colbert Report, 20/20, Dateline, Charlie Rose, Larry King Live, Tom Snyder, Donahue, Oprah, Lezza, Unsolved Mysteries (but, proudly, never Jerry Springer!), and other shows as a skeptic of weird and extraordinary claims, as well as interviews in countless documentaries aired on PBS, A&E, Discovery, The History Channel, The Science Channel, and The Learning Channel. Shermer was the co-host and co-producer of the 13-hour Family Channel television series, Exploring the Unknown.

That's all well and good, but two people I know very well saw UFOs very close and in detail. Close enough that they could see it was a CRAFT (not a balloon), could see details on the surface/bottom of the craft, could see blinking lights, could see it wasn't an airplane and can do things that our airplanes can not possibly do. Both of these people saw their respective crafts with other people present who also saw them.

So to me there is no doubt that there are UFOs. Either it was one of theirs, or one of ours.

I think it is crazy too, but when someone sees something, very close, and in detail, what are you going to tell them? "I am sorry, but even though you saw it with your own eyes, and other people were there with you and saw it too, there is no way that it exists, because such and such a scientist says it isn't possible..."

Skepticism can be a flaw when it goes too far, just like gullibility.