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Old 09-25-2008, 11:36 AM
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Let's all give money to private industry

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/83bfe68c-8a8f-11dd-a76a-0000779fd18c.html

Hmmm…$25,000,000,000 in loans to save 100,000 jobs. My math: $250,000/worker.

Welcome to the wonderful world of Musolini. Taxpayers support an industry that manufactuures products nobody wants. Captains of industry get heaps of money for running companies that fail.

Makes you kind of wonder what the politicians get for the scheme, doesn't it?

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If you haven't seen the movie "Tea With Mousolini" do it. I think I want Warren Buffet in charge.
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Old 09-25-2008, 11:43 AM
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Hmmm…$25,000,000,000 in loans to save 100,000 jobs. My math: $250,000/worker.

Welcome to the wonderful world of Musolini. Taxpayers support an industry that manufactuures products nobody wants. Captains of industry get heaps of money for running companies that fail.

Makes you kind of wonder what the politicians get for the scheme, doesn't it?
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Old 09-25-2008, 11:50 AM
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Oooh, this is what they get:

Top Recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
Campaign Contributions, 1989-2008

Name Office Party/State Total
1. Dodd, Christopher J S D-CT

$133,900
2. Kerry, John S D-MA

$111,000
3. Obama, Barack S D-IL

$105,849
4. Clinton, Hillary S D-NY

$75,550
5. Kanjorski, Paul E H D-PA

$65,500
6. Bennett, Robert F S R-UT

$61,499
7. Johnson, Tim S D-SD

$61,000
8. Conrad, Kent S D-ND

$58,991
9. Davis, Tom H R-VA

$55,499
10. Bond, Christopher S 'Kit' S R-MO

$55,400
11. Bachus, Spencer H R-AL

$55,300
12. Shelby, Richard C S R-AL

$55,000
13. Emanuel, Rahm H D-IL

$51,750
14. Reed, Jack S D-RI

$50,750
15. Carper, Tom S D-DE

$44,389
16. Frank, Barney H D-MA

$40,100
17. Maloney, Carolyn B H D-NY

$38,750
18. Bean, Melissa H D-IL

$37,249
19. Blunt, Roy H R-MO

$36,500
20. Pryce, Deborah H R-OH

$34,750
21. Miller, Gary H R-CA

$33,000
22. Pelosi, Nancy H D-CA

$32,750
23. Reynolds, Tom H R-NY

$32,700
24. Hoyer, Steny H H D-MD

$30,500
25. Hooley, Darlene H D-OR

$28,750
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Old 09-25-2008, 11:52 AM
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/23/dodd.qanda/

Chris Dodd's revised plan

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Chetry: Let's look at some of the things you want added or in some cases taken out. Under your [revised version of the bill], you feel there should be some foreclosure assistance -- if Wall Street is getting some help, Main Street should be getting help, too, especially for those struggling homeowners.
You want limits on executive compensation. You don't want CEOs to get millions of dollars in packages for a failed company. You talk about an oversight board over the Treasury. Why are these so important to include, and what if they end up costing more?
Dodd: Well, let me tell you why. First of all, we have almost 10,000 foreclosures occurring every day. For the last 18 months on a daily basis, I've had 65 hearings since July of 2007 begging the administration to do something about the foreclosure problem. They admitted today if you don't deal with 10,000 foreclosures a day -- that's the bulk of these bad debts that are out there -- so you need to do something about that to stop the hemorrhaging. That's No. 1.
No. 2, I won't give a check for $700 billion, for 41 days, to this secretary or any secretary without safeguards built in -- accountability, transparency, oversight. That's just not going to happen.


Congress has its own bailout plan:
http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/25/news/economy/deal_reached/index.htm?postversion=2008092513
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Chris Dodd's revised plan

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Chetry: Let's look at some of the things you want added or in some cases taken out. Under your [revised version of the bill], you feel there should be some foreclosure assistance -- if Wall Street is getting some help, Main Street should be getting help, too, especially for those struggling homeowners.
You want limits on executive compensation. You don't want CEOs to get millions of dollars in packages for a failed company. You talk about an oversight board over the Treasury. Why are these so important to include, and what if they end up costing more?
Dodd: Well, let me tell you why. First of all, we have almost 10,000 foreclosures occurring every day. For the last 18 months on a daily basis, I've had 65 hearings since July of 2007 begging the administration to do something about the foreclosure problem. They admitted today if you don't deal with 10,000 foreclosures a day -- that's the bulk of these bad debts that are out there -- so you need to do something about that to stop the hemorrhaging. That's No. 1.
No. 2, I won't give a check for $700 billion, for 41 days, to this secretary or any secretary without safeguards built in -- accountability, transparency, oversight. That's just not going to happen.


Congress has its own bailout plan:
http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/25/news/economy/deal_reached/index.htm?postversion=2008092513
Oh great -- let's (A) reward industries that made bad business decisions with billions of bucks paid by taxpayers (who incidentally, didn't want their products) and also, (B) let's reward people who made bad loans by forgiving them.

Let me guess who is going to pay for (A) & (B).

B
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Old 09-26-2008, 09:32 AM
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Oooh, this is what they get:

Top Recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
Campaign Contributions, 1989-2008

Name Office Party/State Total
1. Dodd, Christopher J S D-CT $133,900
Shocked, SHOCKED I tells ya!

And he got a spiffy little home loan to boot. Of course he denies any knowledge of special treatment.

And continues to feign outrage over the mess it has become. First he was pissed at the bailout, now he's pissed at the last minute Conservative stalling.
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Oh great -- let's (A) reward industries that made bad business decisions with billions of bucks paid by taxpayers (who incidentally, didn't want their products) and also, (B) let's reward people who made bad loans by forgiving them.

Let me guess who is going to pay for (A) & (B).

B
Yeah it sucks pretty bad.

So far though, at least it's better than the Republican plan. The House Reps are proposing that the Fed only ensure private sales of these debts (basically crossing their fingers and hoping that creates a "toxic debt" market) and a 3-year elimination of the capital gains tax, which makes no sense because these debts are going to be sold for a loss, not a gain. Not to mention, the reason AIG is busto is from offering precisely the same insurance that they're proposing the U.S. Government offer.

And that's a step forward from Paulson's 'gimme a blank check to do whatever we decide to do, and not let you look at what we're doing.'
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Old 09-26-2008, 02:33 PM
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Makes you kind of wonder what the politicians get for the scheme, doesn't it?






Any questions?

I like what Sierra Leon's President just signed into law. All government officials have to make their personal financial records public. What a good idea! Umm Mr. Senetor where did this $2m deposit come from?

We should require the SOB's to post them on the internet for all to see.
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Oh great -- let's (A) reward industries that made bad business decisions with billions of bucks paid by taxpayers (who incidentally, didn't want their products) and also, (B) let's reward people who made bad loans by forgiving them.

Let me guess who is going to pay for (A) & (B).

B
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Those are contributions from employees.
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On the Freddie and Fannie question, it as McCain said: Obama is No. 2 on the list, with $126,349, right after Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, who had $165,400.

But the list requires a few notes of explanation.

Corporations cannot give to candidates, so the center's list adds up contributions from Fannie and Freddie employees and their families.
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The New York Times looked at contributions from Fannie and Freddie's boards of directors and lobbyists, who are technically not employees. That analysis found Fannie and Freddie-related contributors gave $169,000 to John McCain and his related committees, compared with $16,000 to Obama and his related committees.
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Why'd you have to ruin it, he was having so much fun with that.
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Those are contributions from employees.

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Oh, $100K from employees doesn't count.

Got it.

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