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Honus 10-07-2008 02:43 PM

Hogs at AIG
 
These people must be from another planet. How could they be so out of touch?
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AIG executives went on luxurious retreat one week after receiving $85 billion bailout.»

Today, the House Oversight Committee discovered that, just one week after the federal government bailed out insurance giant AIG, company executives went on a retreat to a luxury resort. The executives spent nearly $500,000 on manicures, facials, pedicures, and massages, among other things. During a hearing today, Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-MD) asked, “Have you heard of anything more outrageous?”:

CUMMINGS: "Let me describe for some of you the charges that the shareholders, taxpayers, had to pay. AIG spent $200,000 dollars for hotel rooms. Almost $150,000 for catered banquets. AIG spent $23,000 at the hotel spa and another $1,400 at the salon. They were getting manicures, facials, pedicures and massages while American people were footing the bill. And they spent another $10,000 dollars for I don’t know what this is, leisure dining. Bars?"

The Gavel has more details of the total bill, including a copy of the invoice documenting AIG’s luxurious retreat.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/07/aig-luxury-retreat/
It's outrageous. Such a sense of entitlement. Speaking of which, I wonder how many of these executives have supported more traditional government entitlement programs, you know, the ones intended to help the poor and disadvantaged.

raymr 10-07-2008 02:51 PM

IT's bad, but not as bad as executives pocketing the money for themselves. At least the money got put back in the local economy. (Just lookin' for the bright side in this whole mess)

tankdriver 10-07-2008 03:00 PM

My heart weeps for the unfair income tax rates they have to pay.

Fulcrum525 10-07-2008 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by raymr (Post 1986636)
IT's bad, but not as bad as executives pocketing the money for themselves. At least the money got put back in the local economy. (Just lookin' for the bright side in this whole mess)


Lets not forget to include the price of useing the company jet to fly around. At least they stayed within the US (California)

John Doe 10-07-2008 03:01 PM

dculkin, in the interest of honest journalism, do you consider an $85B 2 year balloon note at 11% interest a bailout? Would there be a better term, that would more accurately describe the transaction, that didn't reflect your opinion?

Also, did you keep up with the asset sale AIG effected Thursday and Friday of last week?

AdvisorGuy 10-07-2008 03:03 PM

Not surprising... This "bail out" isn't going to help anything other than lining already lined pockets......

Honus 10-07-2008 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by John Doe (Post 1986650)
dculkin, in the interest of honest journalism, do you consider an $85B 2 year balloon note at 11% interest a bailout? Would there be a better term, that would more accurately describe the transaction, that didn't reflect your opinion?

I stand corrected. They're still a bunch of hogs. ;)
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Also, did you keep up with the asset sale AIG effected Thursday and Friday of last week?
I am not up to speed on that. I'm just running my mouth.

John Doe 10-07-2008 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dculkin (Post 1986713)
I stand corrected. They're still a bunch of hogs. ;)I am not up to speed on that. I'm just running my mouth.


Yah, I agree, and also realize upon review that you didn't use the word 'bailout' but backwards progress or whatever did;)

They are, (upon information and belief), going to use their very quick sale to pay down some of the debt in an attempt to renegotiate the loan.

Loan:cool:

tankdriver 10-07-2008 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by John Doe (Post 1986650)
dculkin, in the interest of honest journalism, do you consider an $85B 2 year balloon note at 11% interest a bailout? Would there be a better term, that would more accurately describe the transaction, that didn't reflect your opinion?

He's no journalist, just a poster. I'm really hesitant to start counting on that interest. I'm also somewhat expectant that if they don't pay back in the 2 year time frame, a renegotiation is probably what will happen. It's pure speculation, but we do have some bailout type precedents set.


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Also, did you keep up with the asset sale AIG effected Thursday and Friday of last week?
No, what happened? Any executive perks sold, like the jet?

Botnst 10-07-2008 06:19 PM

Selling expensive tangible assets in this market would be interesting.

diametricalbenz 10-08-2008 12:49 AM

Did the AIG spenders of the $500,000 justify why they found it necessary to spend that much money in matters unrelated to their business?

RichC 10-08-2008 04:40 AM

Conmen usually celebrate after a big heist

Carleton Hughes 10-08-2008 06:13 AM

I stated in an earlier post these white-collar criminal bloodsuckers would turn this to their advantage,just look at the embarrassing testimony of Fuld,one of the biggest crooks around.

While we have not yet reached the point where we should march them into the cellars of the Lubyanka and give them a .9mm hemmorhage there should be penalties in place for this heinous betrayal of public trust.

Botnst 10-08-2008 06:53 AM

It would be nice if after they received $700B from the taxpayer, they sort of toned it down, lest we get the unfortunate idea that there exists some sort of relationship between the whores in Washington and the pimps on Wall Street.

RichC 10-08-2008 07:08 AM

The pimps and whores conspiracy theory.

Mistress 10-08-2008 02:38 PM

they should go to jail. debters prison.

Botnst 10-08-2008 02:40 PM

You can put lipstick on an AIG exec and give him a $400K party but he's still just a pig.

Mistress 10-08-2008 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 1987785)
You can put lipstick on an AIG exec and give him a $400K party but he's still just a pig.

I wouldn't insult a pig like that they are very intelligent beings.

Dee8go 10-08-2008 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 1987785)
You can put lipstick on an AIG exec and give him a $400K party but he's still just a pig.

By last call all AIG execs look good . . .

G-Benz 10-08-2008 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dee8go (Post 1987795)
By last call all AIG execs look good . . .

If they are hogs, all AIG execs TASTE good too!

Botnst 10-08-2008 05:31 PM

It turns out it was all a huge misunderstanding: It was really a BUSINESS conference! Of course!

B

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AIG says lavish event was mischaracterized
Wed Oct 8, 2008 4:40pm EDT

NEW YORK (Reuters) - American International Group Inc (AIG.N: Quote, Profile, Research, Stock Buzz), a day after being criticized for a lavish event held just days after the insurer got an $85 billion government rescue loan, shot back on Wednesday saying the event was for independent life insurance agents, not its employees.

AIG drew fire at a congressional hearing on Tuesday for spending $200,000 on hotel rooms and $23,000 on spa services at an event lawmakers characterized as an executive retreat.

As lawmakers grilled former top executives, Rep. Elijah Cummings, a Maryland Democrat, said: "They were getting facials, manicures and massages, while the American people were footing the bill."

On Wednesday, AIG said the "business event," hosted by one of its subsidiaries, was for independent life insurance agents. It said the event was planned "months before" it received the loan last month, and no AIG executives from headquarters attended.

AIG's effort to correct the record on the event came after White House spokeswoman Dana Perino had added on Wednesday to criticism of the event.

"I understand why the American people would be outraged," she said at a White House briefing.

President George W. Bush did not intend to benefit industry titans when he approved the bailout of AIG and a wider $700 billion Wall Street rescue package, she said.

"Rewarding failure is something we have a very hard time swallowing," Perino added.

AIG said current Chief Executive Edward Liddy had written a letter to Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson to clarify the circumstances of the business event.

The company said Liddy assured Paulson that AIG now faces very different challenges, saying: "(W)e owe our employees and the American public new standards and approaches," and that the company is "re-evaluating the costs of all aspects of our operations..."

AIG said 10 employees from its subsidiary, AIG American General, attended the 100-guest event.

(Reporting by Jonathan Spicer, with additional reporting by Andy Sullivan in Washington; Editing by Tim Dobbyn)

MTI 10-08-2008 05:33 PM

Sullivan, who ran the firm from 2005 until June of this year, also testified that the company’s bonus plan was amended to exclude unrealized losses, in effect protecting executives from millions of dollars in reversals. When lawmakers criticized Sullivan for urging AIG's directors to waive pay guidelines to win a $5.0 million bonus for 2007 — even as the company lost $5.0 billion in the fourth quarter of that year -- Sullivan countered that he was mainly concerned with helping other senior executives.

Botnst 10-08-2008 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI (Post 1987919)
Sullivan, who ran the firm from 2005 until June of this year, also testified that the company’s bonus plan was amended to exclude unrealized losses, in effect protecting executives from millions of dollars in reversals. When lawmakers criticized Sullivan for urging AIG's directors to waive pay guidelines to win a $5.0 million bonus for 2007 — even as the company lost $5.0 billion in the fourth quarter of that year -- Sullivan countered that he was mainly concerned with helping other senior executives.

well shoot, that makes it okay then.

Somebody git rope.

B

John Doe 10-08-2008 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 1987917)
It turns out it was all a huge misunderstanding: It was really a BUSINESS conference! Of course!

B



AIG said 10 employees from its subsidiary, AIG American General, attended the 100-guest event.

It is a misunderstanding...on how non-mutual insurance companies work: If AIG is no longer has IIA to peddle their wares, and they go to another product who coddles them more, the .gov will never get paid back.

Botnst 10-08-2008 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by John Doe (Post 1987929)
It is a misunderstanding...on how non-mutual insurance companies work: If AIG is no longer has IIA to peddle their wares, and they go to another product who coddles them more, the .gov will never get paid back.

Excellent reason for .gov to regulate, not own businesses.

WVOtoGO 10-08-2008 06:35 PM

Interesting slide show:
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/CompanyFocus/as-banks-broke-down-ceos-cashed-in-slide-show.aspx?GT1=33002

PaulC 10-08-2008 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI (Post 1987919)
Sullivan, who ran the firm from 2005 until June of this year, also testified that the company’s bonus plan was amended to exclude unrealized losses, in effect protecting executives from millions of dollars in reversals. When lawmakers criticized Sullivan for urging AIG's directors to waive pay guidelines to win a $5.0 million bonus for 2007 — even as the company lost $5.0 billion in the fourth quarter of that year -- Sullivan countered that he was mainly concerned with helping other senior executives.

Did he actually say this with a straight face? Impressive.

MTI 10-08-2008 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulC (Post 1987991)
Did he actually say this with a straight face? Impressive.


Might be the reason he gets the big bucks. Ever consider that? ;)


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