Not Voting for McCain: Was it Palin or the Party?

Turned Off By the VP Choice

What he did by picking her was say: I'll do anything to win. He didn't care about the moderates or the independents, which unfortunately meant he didn't care about me. The real John McCain would never have done that. He went against his own principles."


The Case Against the Party

I would give anything to rewrite history and make McCain president in 2000. But in 2008, I don't think I can vote for him. Barack Obama is indeed the least experienced, least tested candidate in modern presidential history. But at least if he wins, I can be sure that the mobs who cry "terrorist" at the sound of his name will be kept away—far away—from the White House.

Well, I am voting for McCain, nothwithstanding. Yes, I wish this was the McCain of 2000, and that he had been the Repub nominee then instead of the moron we ended up with.

I'm not really thrilled with his choice of Palin, but he made a calculation that he needed to shore up his politcal base from the right in order to win. We shall see. I would have prefered Lieberman myself as his VP choice. However, for all her missteps and lack of experience, I think she can handle it. I am gambling that McCain is not going to suddenly croak- I don't see him running again in 4 years either way.

I think we saw the real John McCain in 2000. But Bush f'd him, then he f'd us all. And yes, you have to do what you need to do to win- if you lose ,what's the point?

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Same McCain. This maverick thing is thin. Too bad there's not a one-word description that combines shallow thinking with stubbornness.

I managed to keep out of the political fray for the most part but I figured I'd stick my toe in the water at least.

I'd vote for Palin over any of the remaining three of the top two tickets. But I still don't know if I'm voting pragmatic or principled yet. I have a general disdain for career politicians and she's the least entrenched.

If McCain had any hope of getting the Conservative base to vote for him he had to shake things up a bit as he himself was supposedly the moderate. It's funny, he's been historically viewed as the moderate maverick. Lauded for bucking the President and his party any chance he got. Until he runs against a Democrat then all of a sudden he's labelled a raving Conservative by the same people who label Bush as a Conservative.

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I don't think that's right. It wasn't his run against a Democrat that got him labeled as a conservative, it was his own choice to label himself as a conservative so that he could get the GOP nomination. That's why he bragged about voting with Bush 90% of the time.

She is the least entrenched. Also the least knowledgeable and probably the least ethical. There is one category in which she is not the least, she is definitely not the least offensive. She would be a divisive President if McCain wins next Tuesday and then can't finish his term.

I have also not decided who to vote for yet. I'd also have voted McCain unhesitatingly if he'd picked Lieberman. But I can't stand Palin. However, I can stand Obama even less. So I'll probably try to hold my nose tight enough to vote for McCain. The other 12 parties are pretty much pathetic jokes and thus no real alternative.

- Peter.

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selfish
self-centered
egocentric

You're talking about Obama, aren't you?

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A selfish socialist? That's a new one.






McCain started out flailing and has been ever since. For a guy who had his nomination locked up 6months before the other guy, McCain was surprisingly unprepared and strategy-less. His campaign never had focus. He pretty much conceded all policy arguments except perhaps Iraq. I don't know why he did so, but he did. Instead, he's all over the place with ad hominem attacks. This last one is hilarious. Note to McCain: The masses don't have a problem with redistribution of wealth. See Huey P. Long.

It's been an odd election. First, all the democrats had to do was put up pretty much any oldish white guy and they were a shoe in. Being Democrats and not happy with victory, they chose between a woman and a black guy. Then, all the Republicans had to do was put up a guy who was not very associated with the current president, decently conservative but not overly so, and they come up with McCain.

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I am referring to the man who wrecked 3 navy airplanes not counting either the tragedy on the carrier flight deck, or being shot down. The man who after release from prison in Viet Nam found his wife not as pretty as he remembered so he played around until he found a younger, prettier woman with more than enough family wealth and connections to help him advance his new carreer.

What about those Greek Columns? Faux Presidential Seal? Mass political rallies in football stadiums? Mass political rallies to GERMANS? what were the words he uses...when the waters parted and the moment the universe healed or some crap.....oh puleeeze give me a break

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neoclassical architecture is ego centric? There are a whole lot of state-wide and national buildings that are going to have to be torn down over that one. Half of DC will have to be remodeled.
I don't even know what a faux seal is. He is popular enough to fill a stadium. How selfish. A selfless person would be an a** of sufficient proportion to only fill an auditorium.
I guess that leaves self centered. It's self centered to look beyond our borders, or speak to allies. Got it.

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I love all that... Reminds me of 'Nova Roma' in 1923 All we need are blackshirts with that big "O" as an armband

Selections from 'Evita' Substitute Obama for Peron...
Crowd
Peron, Peron, Peron.

(MAGALDI leaves. The crowd begins to call for PERON.
PERON pushes his way onto the stage.)

PERON
I stand here as a servant of the people.
As we come together for a marvelous cause
You've shown by your presence, your deeds, and applause
What the people can do true power is your's
not the government unless it represents the people

MOB
A new Argentina!
The chains of the masses untied!
A new Argentina!
The voice of the people cannot be denied!


ALL
A new Argentina!
The chains of the masses untied!
A new Argentina!
The voice of the people cannot be, and must not be, denied!

CHE
People of Argentina! Your newly elected President--
Juan Peron!

(The CROWD begins to chant "Peron! Peron!")



PERON
Argentinos! Argentinos! We are all workers now!
Fighting against our common enemies--
Poverty, social injustice, foreign domination of
our industries!
Reaching for our common goals--
Our independence, our dignity, our pride!
Let the world know that our great nation is awakening
and that its heart beats in the humble bodies of Juan
Peron--

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Please explain why that is a bad thing.

While you're at it, maybe you could shed light on McCain's uncertainty about whether Spain is still our ally.

I thought that allies were a good thing to have.