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Mistress 11-08-2008 03:50 AM

Titanium Propellers- Please help
 
Just curious- Aside from cost, does anyone know why airplane propellers aren't made out of titanium?

WVOtoGO 11-08-2008 07:48 AM

The lack of elasticity.

Brian Carlton 11-08-2008 09:47 AM

If you are at an airport and look into the front of any of the large turbofans, you'll see the giant front fan with anywhere between 32 and 42 blades. Each blade weighs about 15 lb. on large engine and is approx. 24" in length. The blade was made from a solid block of titanium in most engines and it costs well over $25,000. to make.

Titanium is a perfect material for this application.........strong and relatively ductile. The blade won't fracture if the engine hits a bird at 300 mph.

The only reason that it's not on the Cessna is cost.

diametricalbenz 11-08-2008 09:53 AM

What are current Cessna and or other light aircraft propellers made of? Aluminum? Carbon fiber?

KarTek 11-08-2008 10:01 AM

Common props are aluminum, wood and more recently, carbon fiber. I don't know if c/f is certified for use in certificated aircraft yet but there are Light Sport aircraft and Experimentals with them for sure.

sixto 11-08-2008 11:32 AM

The pictures I see of belly landing results show prop tips bent back. I'm guessing wood doesn't bend even at those rpms so none of those props were wood. I don't imagine carbon fiber or many composites bend either. Maybe ductility is a design factor or FAA requirement.

Sixto
87 300D

Larry Delor 11-08-2008 11:58 AM

Anybody see the show about the GE90 115B? http://www.geae.com/engines/commercial/ge90/ge90-115b.html
Carbonfiber fanblades, with titanium leading edges. The blades themselves are curved for more volume. Quite impressive it is!
Some more info....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Electric_GE90
And a closer shot of those beautiful blades http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:GE90_dsc04644.jpg

Hatterasguy 11-08-2008 12:06 PM

Looks like a shredder!:eek::cool:

Brian Carlton 11-08-2008 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Delor (Post 2015399)
Anybody see the show about the GE90 115B? http://www.geae.com/engines/commercial/ge90/ge90-115b.html
Carbonfiber fanblades, with titanium leading edges. The blades themselves are curved for more volume. Quite impressive it is!
Some more info....http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Electric_GE90
And a closer shot of those beautiful blades http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:GE90_dsc04644.jpg

GE took a leap forward with the GE-90 that no other manufacturer would do. The risk of carbon fiber on a fan is significant. Typically, it doesn't have anywhere near the impact resistance of titanium. However, the compelling weight benefits on such a large engine were irresistible for GE and resulted in reduced weight for the entire supporting front end of the engine. With an engine that has a weight of about 17,000 lb.........every lb. is important.

To date, there have been no GE-90 fan "incidents" that I'm aware of.........a tribute to GE's design and rigorous testing.

MTI 11-08-2008 12:23 PM

I thought that some of you "prop heads" would enjoy this

RAF Sheppards Pilot to Safe Landing

No mention of how they plan to clean the pilot seating.

TheDon 11-09-2008 12:05 AM

$25k for one blade.. nice

Chas H 11-09-2008 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 2015326)
If you are at an airport and look into the front of any of the large turbofans, you'll see the giant front fan with anywhere between 32 and 42 blades. Each blade weighs about 15 lb. on large engine and is approx. 24" in length. The blade was made from a solid block of titanium in most engines and it costs well over $25,000. to make.

Aren't the blades investment cast? Titanium is not easy to machine.

Botnst 11-09-2008 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTI (Post 2015428)
I thought that some of you "prop heads" would enjoy this

RAF Sheppards Pilot to Safe Landing

No mention of how they plan to clean the pilot seating.

Wow!

R Leo 11-09-2008 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 2015419)
GE took a leap forward with the GE-90 that no other manufacturer would do. The risk of carbon fiber on a fan is significant. Typically, it doesn't have anywhere near the impact resistance of titanium. However, the compelling weight benefits on such a large engine were irresistible for GE and resulted in reduced weight for the entire supporting front end of the engine. With an engine that has a weight of about 17,000 lb.........every lb. is important.

To date, there have been no GE-90 fan "incidents" that I'm aware of.........a tribute to GE's design and rigorous testing.

Brian,
That the GE-90 was a breakthrough use of fiber is a surprise! CFAN is just south of Austin and it seems like it's been there for a zillion years so I was under the impression carbon fiber had been used in turbofan applications for quite some time. Learn something new every day.

Brian Carlton 11-09-2008 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chas H (Post 2015908)
Aren't the blades investment cast? Titanium is not easy to machine.

Yes, I'm sure they start with something less than a full block..........the machining of a complete block would definitely take forever.

Some of the new blades are cast with a hollow core. That's quite a feat.............


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