Do they sell dead horses at Wal Mart?

There's some truth to that, but again, today it's not as much boots on the ground as it is wheels/tracks on the ground. Guns won't do much in that situation.

As to your last point, I have a different view. You sound idealistic, but if push came to shove, would you really live up to the rhetoric? I don't believe in the afterlife, God or any such crap, so perhaps for me life is more valuable than it is for you. Also I come from a different background. You may recall how Nazis invaded Czechoslovakia, yet there was little resistance after the allies abandoned us. IMO it was a wise decision. The Nazi rule ended in the next decade and lives & historic buildings were spared. Well then there was the Soviet invasion, but again the odds were overwhelming and life wasn't really that bad. And that thing eventually ended too. To me personally life would have to be really bad for me to consider sacrificing myself for some cause. To me almost any life is better than death. Call me a wuss if you like to, but I consider myself a pragmatist.

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I wouldn't call you anything as long as you respect my freedom to choose to fight to the last breath for my freedom with the devices necessary to be effective. What I find distressing is that too many folks who share your understanding of life and the devices necessary to defend innocence is that not only do they not want guns, they don't want the rest of us to have them...and I'm not talking about hunting guns. You know what they say in Russia....Toughski.

That explains alot.

Too bad,I have seen too many miracles not to believe in God.

Most effective you say? But you also say guns won't do squat? But infer that they do accomplish something. Only, for like the 30th time, you also say, the most effective means should be illegal. That's something like willful enslavement, and you even seem proud of it judging by other posts.
So... you confirmed what I was saying. You have no opinion, and aren't too partial to freedom.
Better to live on your knees, and die that way, too, I always say. See, there's this thing, kinda outlines the traditional US foundation called 'The Declaration of Independence'. What does it say about defense against tyrannical government? Not a right, but a duty.
You people are more dangerous than any military, foreign or domestic.

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.
John Stuart Mill
English economist & philosopher (1806 - 1873)

Freedom is not just guns. Our Government prohibits gambling,
certain drugs, some marriages..............

We have the worlds largest military, we will not be invaded and if our
military turns on us we will be out gunned.

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Just to clarify, I didn't say I didn't want any guns. I'm just saying I find it ridiculous that some people say the main reason to have guns is to fight your own government should it become tyrannical. I think there are much better reasons to have guns.

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I'm done responding to you. All you do is spew drivel.

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I agree with the above. But that doesn't mean I want to be cannon fodder. I'm all for intelligent resistance.

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Yup, having lived in & visited other countries I can tell you that the US is a good place to live, but it's definitely not the country with the highest personal freedoms. Some things are actually pretty backward here.

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You find yourself at odds with the founders of this country. They new tyranny first hand and they understood the need to defned freedom from central powers. Fortunately, their and your perspectives are antipodal.

Like I said it was a different time then and the government had no better weapons than the general population. It would have worked then. There's little chance it would work today. It's also a double-edged sword. What if the country became, say, extremely liberal on social issues and heavily armed and overthrew the government and forced gay marriage and a vegetarian diet on everyone. How would you like that? Personally I don't trust the general population any more than I trust the government.

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I know, I just repeat what is already said.
Gonna have to start calling you Hillary anyway, get back to the global village, away from these extremist, outdated views.

It's time to relax now, guys ... kick back your Lazy Boys and take a deep breath.

Chicks who love Guns

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