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Old 04-22-2010, 02:54 AM
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But what if I'm out-of-touch with the current stuff?

Saw a Dell Intel Core i7 (4-core Nehalem) with 8G/1T for $1150 at Best Buy. Not so bad, but it has an ATI video add-on card, and I want nVidia. Not for the graphics - I would probably use the on-board video for the display.

How can I find out just what I need to put into a computer case to make a computer today? All the stuff has changed since I've done it. If I can get the performance of this Dell (with Intel i7 CPU and nVidia GPU) for less than $1300, I'm interested. If I can get a 2-socket i7 with NUMA for that price, it's a no-brainer.
Motherboard, RAM, CPU, power supply, hard drive, optical disc drive... that should cover it i think.

The motherboard will have ethernet, video and audio built in so you don't need to get a video card unless you are doing gaming or heavy graphics processing

If you go to newegg and select a motherboard, it will show you all the compatible memory and CPU's for it.

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Old 04-22-2010, 10:01 AM
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Even choosing the "correct" motherboard is daunting, but if I have a processor selected, that does become easier. I'll check it out. Tyan used to be a good brand; is that still the case?

The nVidia isn't for graphics.
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Old 04-22-2010, 11:07 AM
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AMD and Intel both make good processors.

You can always try to get motherboard + processor combos or look up a DIY kit from either newegg or tigerdirect
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Old 04-22-2010, 11:32 AM
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I find for the price/performance ratio, AMD CPU's are hard to beat. I picked up the 955 black edition for cheap a while back (quad core). While the i7's are faster in some select apps and scenarios, I don't think the real-world difference justifies the extra cost (of the CPU and associated mobos).

As far as motherboards, I've almost always stuck with Asus.

Memory - I've used cheap and expensive and found no difference. I think it's all from the same source.

Antec for power supplies.

For video both nVidia and ATi make excellent cards - they are constantly one-upping each other. I just bought a Radeon 5870, beast of a card, barely fit into my tower.

It's incredible the rate at which graphics processing has increased.
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Old 04-22-2010, 12:47 PM
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I'm thinking of the other end. Writing software to run on them.
On the server side [the sort of development that I do] they are much the same as any other UNIX/Linux box.

Now the GUI programming model [Coco] is quite different, but so far I have not needed to provide a GUI for any of my server apps.
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Old 04-22-2010, 09:11 PM
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AMD and Intel both make good processors.

You can always try to get motherboard + processor combos or look up a DIY kit from either newegg or tigerdirect
AMD and Intel both make good processors. Intel makes better tools for theirs, which is why I want Intel and not AMD.

I'd love to have an IA64, but that isn't happening anytime soon.
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Old 04-22-2010, 09:15 PM
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On the server side [the sort of development that I do] they are much the same as any other UNIX/Linux box.

Now the GUI programming model [Coco] is quite different, but so far I have not needed to provide a GUI for any of my server apps.
I'm not worried about GUI stuff at all. But Windows has been ahead of the game for many years in asynchronous operations on affordable hardware. Does OS-X support async I/O? If it does, I can guarantee that it won't look like Windows. Or Linux, for that matter.

You can use Berkeley sockets on Windows too, but then again, why would you?
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Old 04-22-2010, 09:17 PM
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For video both nVidia and ATi make excellent cards - they are constantly one-upping each other. I just bought a Radeon 5870, beast of a card, barely fit into my tower.
I don't care about the video. nVidia has CUDA. I don't intend to connect a monitor.
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Old 04-22-2010, 09:49 PM
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Went from PC and Mac bashing to Intel vs AMD bashing, and now is Nvidia vs ATI bashing.




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Old 04-22-2010, 10:55 PM
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I have used the following for a long time:

CPU: AMD exclusively
Motherboard: Biostar, MSI, ASUS, Tyan(mostly servers)
Power Supply: PC Power and Cooling, Corsair, Antec
Memory: Corsair, OCZ, Kingston, Super Talent
Hard drive: Western digital or Seagate
Graphics: ATI are more power efficient and produce less heat...so I prefer them. My current PC has a nvidia card though, got it free.

I've had excellent results....failures extremely infrequently. Some of the systems I have running are several years old of 24/7. My server is 7 years old....still runs perfect.
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Old 04-22-2010, 11:05 PM
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I have used the following for a long time:

CPU: AMD exclusively
Motherboard: Biostar, MSI, ASUS, Tyan(mostly servers)
Power Supply: PC Power and Cooling, Corsair, Antec
Memory: Corsair, OCZ, Kingston, Super Talent
Hard drive: Western digital or Seagate
Graphics: ATI are more power efficient and produce less heat...so I prefer them. My current PC has a nvidia card though, got it free.

I've had excellent results....failures extremely infrequently. Some of the systems I have running are several years old of 24/7. My server is 7 years old....still runs perfect.
Sounds similar to what I've had success with...DFI, ASUS, and Gigabyte for motherboards (intel or AMD, but I've built way more AMD). PCP&C and Corsair both make fine power supplies. Can't go wrong with most memory nowadays as long as you check the QVLs and follow voltage requirements. I can't fully agree with ATI being more power efficient on the whole, it's totally dependent on which card is being considered (and what generation).

In the end, it doesn't really matter what manufacturer you use, as long as you get what you're looking for (price, support, warranty, etc).
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Old 04-23-2010, 12:06 AM
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Went from PC and Mac bashing to Intel vs AMD bashing, and now is Nvidia vs ATI bashing.




Geeez.
I'm hardly bashing ATI. I am not a gamer. The only use I have for 3d hardware is to use for parallel algorithms, and nVidia exposes this.

I don't care which is better at producing video, as I don't intend to use it for that.
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Old 04-23-2010, 09:31 AM
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Unhappy That didn't go well at all!

I really screwed the pooch last night. My computer won't even boot up now. Here's the story:
First when I booted up the computer it didn't see the second drive. So I checked the connections and booted up again and it was there but it wasn't allocated which I thought was odd since I had it installed before.
So I downloaded that Seagate program, went to Utilities and selected the add disc option. Went through that process. It asked if I ever intended to boot from that drive to select to move additional files over, I can't remember exactly what it said but I do want to eventually boot from that drive so I selected that option. All went well and it said to reboot to make the changes. So I reboot the computer and it wouldn't boot up.

It froze at a the PCI device listing screen and was asking for a System disk. Which of course I don't have.
It also has a Disk Boot Failure on the screen.

This is really bad. I was under the impression it would only COPY files not remove them!

Is there any way to fix this?

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Old 04-23-2010, 10:18 AM
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Sounds like you picked the wrong drive. You should not have picked "add a drive", but just allocated the space you wanted to copy to. There is a step by step slide show on Seagate's site on how to do this. Before you go any further, disconnect the new drive and see if it will boot off the old one. If not, the best thing to do is to make the new drive the master and the old the slave. Reload the OS on the new drive and see if the files are still on the old. If they are, you can copy them to the new drive.
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Old 04-23-2010, 11:32 AM
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Sounds like you picked the wrong drive. You should not have picked "add a drive", but just allocated the space you wanted to copy to. There is a step by step slide show on Seagate's site on how to do this. Before you go any further, disconnect the new drive and see if it will boot off the old one. If not, the best thing to do is to make the new drive the master and the old the slave. Reload the OS on the new drive and see if the files are still on the old. If they are, you can copy them to the new drive.
It won't boot off either drive.
By reload OS you mean reload windows? If so then I don't have an OS to reload from.

Can't I boot from a boot disk or a system disk? Like from here:
http://freepctech.com/pc/002/files010.shtml

http://www.bootdisk.com/

http://www.allbootdisks.com/download/xppro.html

Will these allow me to get back to the drives?
Which one would work best?

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