Buy an engine, build an engine and no stopping for fuel!

Yesterday, though, the Paris-based FIA declined specifically to name Cosworth as its preferred engine supplier as it welcomed a broad agreement designed to halve team running costs by 2010.

New engines "will either come from an independent supplier or be supplied by the manufacturer teams backed by guarantees of continuity. If an independent supplier, the deal will be signed no later than 20 December 2008", the FIA said.

Manufacturers known to be resistant to the single engine idea are Ferrari, Toyota and Mercedes. They have been given the option to continue supplying their own engines but only on an identical specification to ones supplied by Cosworth.

The governing body’s president Max Mosley had said that 2010 would be the year when the most significant cost savings could begin to be made and the released plans indeed detail some drastic measures.

A ban on refuelling stops is the headline announcement, meaning that from 2010 cars will have to run on the same tank of fuel for the entire race distance for the first time since 1993.

That's just lame. Teams can use previous year engines from other teams already. Pitstop strategy is an essential part of racing.

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You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows - Robert A. Zimmerman

time to quit watching.i'll bet nascar will go the same route to even the field as the 4 big teams(roush,hendrick,gibbs and childress) pretty much won every race this year.

Here's the list of 2009 cost saving rule changes by the FIA

A doubling of engine life, with each driver limited to eight engines over the season. Each engine must be used for at least three races, compared with the previous two. Teams will also be allowed four engines for testing. Engines will be limited to 18,000 revolutions a minute.

Cheaper engines for independent teams, costing about half as much as in 2008.

Teams will be able to test their cars only at Grand Prix weekends in scheduled practices.

Limited use of wind tunnels.

Teams’ factories will close for six weeks per year.

Reduced manpower for teams during race weekends.

Lame, its turning into Nascrap.

I miss the mid 90's V12's. Racing is supposed to be about pushing technoligy to its very limit and beyond, equality is so wrong and has no business in this sport.

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1999 SL500
1969 280SE
2023 Ram 1500
2007 Tiara 3200

There was a time when part of the definition of a Formula One car was that it would fall apart from running flat out . . . right after crossing the finish line.

Thats how it should be.

The golden age of racing is sadly long gone, but the 1950's and 60's really were something. You could buy a Jag D type, or Ferrari, compete with the best and drive it home. No stickers, no sponers, limited rules, no BS.

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1999 SL500
1969 280SE
2023 Ram 1500
2007 Tiara 3200

That may have been the case in "club racing" or the early days of NASCAR (racing a rented car) back then but not on the GP circuit.

You still can race GT cars. Buy a Porsche and race GT3.

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You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows - Robert A. Zimmerman

I was refering to the Mille Miglia, or Targa Florio.

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1999 SL500
1969 280SE
2023 Ram 1500
2007 Tiara 3200

I love the fifties and sixties cars too, but the racing was very very bloody. If you look at the history many more drivers died young in that era than survived.

I love the idea of dual purpose cars and racing on real roads but it was so very very deadly. It was pretty rough for the spectators too.

The last mille miglia Portago's ferrari would run about 175 on bias ply tires with about 3" of very hard tread width. And that was about what he was running late in the race trying to catch the leader when one of his very worn tires blew out and killed him plus a half dozen or so spectators. He had forgone tires on his last stop to save a few seconds of time trying to catch the leader.

Very very deadly. The folks racing today have no idea, mostly, but some, like Villeneuve lost his dad to racing accidents....

The ones that raced in that era and lived to be old farts like me....Moss (survived...just), Foyt, Andretti, Phil Hill, Gurney, Fangio, were great drivers and not a little lucky. The list of greats who did not survive is much longer.

Oh, and I agree, spec racing is ok but not for the topmost levels. Nascar needs to get back to more like real cars, and F1 as well. Somehow promote the development of engines that will work in street cars but allow innovation.

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[SIGPIC] Diesel loving autocrossing grandpa Architect. 08 Dodge 3/4 ton with Cummins & six speed; I have had about 35 benzes. I have a 39 Studebaker Coupe Express pickup in which I have had installed a 617 turbo and a five speed manual.[SIGPIC]

..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

Bah. More rules, more impetus to flout those rules. Watch for upcoming reports of cheating, software shenanigans, doppleganger engines, etc.

No MB, no Honda, no Toyota, no BMW, no Ferrari, no F1 for me, actually part of F1 died for me when Senna died and now whatever remaining goes. Moto GP is still looking good with brilliant Rossi doing his very best as usual and therefore my attention now shifts totally to Moto GP.

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99 Gurkha with OM616 IDI turbo

2015 Gurkha with OM616 DI turbo

2014 Rexton W with OM612 VGT

Pushing technology to the limit is what has made F1 so expensive. There weren't any windtunnels or computer modelling in the 50's and 60s'. Honda spent $290 million last year. Toyota reputedly spends $500 million. If this is the pricetag attached to pushing technology, then get ready to see 6 cars on the grid, maybe 8. And what would be the sport in that?

Personally I'd love to see a standardized car with a standardized aero package, chassis and engine. Allow a range of adjustments/modifications that are available to all teams. And then let them race. We'd find out soon enough who the best driver is - none of this "he did the best he could with a slow car" garbage. The competition should be on the track, not in the lab. If that doesn't work for the big manufacturers, then don't let the door hit them on the way out.

I want to see racing, not the garbage we've seen for most of the past 15 years.

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2011 Mazda2
2000 E320 4Matic Wagon
1994 C280 (retired)

Make F1 drivers championship again like the days of Senna, Berger, Proust et al fighting each other out like gladiators in a ring. Remove fancy electronic doo dads, bring back V12 with just basic FI and also bring back standard stick shift with clutch and see the fun coming back into F-1.

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99 Gurkha with OM616 IDI turbo

2015 Gurkha with OM616 DI turbo

2014 Rexton W with OM612 VGT