Not at all. You should have gone with a better class of hooker. No, I have no black book of names like that.

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Hello!

He did present himself as a moderate, it was the right who painted him as a liberal.

Hello!

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According to the article he painted himself as a liberal, that is why they are so pissed.

Tom,
Was it the RIGHT that amassed the most liberal voting record in the Senate?

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A person elected to the senate is elected to represent the interests of his electorate. As president you need to represent the entire country.

Its natural for an elected president to move toward the center in his governing, if his electorate is more to the left or right than he needs to be as president.

Besides I don't know how "the most liberal record" is determined. Do you think thats a really scientific standard?

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> …Greenstein said he was amazed to learn that senior Bush administration officials had effectively turned over the staff of the president's budget office to a "shadow" budget office created by Obama. Career professionals at the Office of Management and Budget rigorously scrubbed the costs of the Obama stimulus package, item by item, almost as if Obama were already president….

> "This is, I think, unprecedented," he said. "I did not think one could pull this off this early."

I bet W is an expert at setting up “shadow” organizations. OTOH, it is good to see a positive gesture from W. I bet that's what is considered surprising.

> Obama's team, he said, had stuck to two key principles in putting a package together: only proposals that could quickly stimulate the economy were included and new spending plans that might be viewed as longer-term initiatives, rather than temporary ones, were rejected.

I’d rather see details of the projects by type rather than fuzzy allusions to things which “quickly stimulate the economy”

> In more than three decades in Washington, Greenstein said he's never seen such a broad consensus develop, across the political spectrum, on the need for a huge injection of new government spending to help the economy recover.

Like giving a kilo of heroin to a house of addicts at a party, where is the surprise?

> But when the Obama team added up all the "shovel-ready" infrastructure projects and other initiatives proposed as part of the stimulus package, "they discovered, to their dismay, that the number was nowhere near" the roughly $1 trillion target set by some economists for an overall recovery plan.

Again, we need details. Greening of buildings? Widespread installation of train infrastructure? Hiring teachers and street cleaners? What? As far as the cost being too low, that won’t last.

As to the vilifying O for not being liberal enough, bfd. It’s only posturing.

There's a cottage industry among political NGO's scoring politicians on various votes. You can get them from NRA, NOW, AFL-CIO, etc, ad nauseam. As far as Obama is concerned, both liberal and conservative groups tagged him as a very liberal senator.

He never ran from the label, to my knowledge. Instead he just let other people screech about it until the all got tired.

Then he got elected. The voters define what is left vs what is right, not the pundits. The voters, on average, voted for Obama. He his the new middle ground.

End Of Story.

I know a bunch of ultra libs and they say this is just being stirred up by the right wing press. They think this is just an attempt to smear Obama.

I find it all very odd. How can you smear someone just because they want to be the President to all of America and not just their base?

The funny thing is that this is such a big story. I doubt that 20% of Americans care about this at all, and that would include all of those on the right and the left that are hopped up about it.

Am I missing something?

Pooka

C'mon, Obama's (voting record) painted himself as the most liberal senator as nothing else could have regardless of mudslinging from the right or wherever.

He has to go middle of the road and extend the olive branch as a moderate so he looks good in the media spotlight. Afterall, this is what Obama is all about.

He has a liberal majority already, hell he may as well mix it up a bit because he's gonna do whatever the hell he wants regardless so "acting" as if he is reaching across the aisle will garner some support from some who may have been suspicious of his intentions, especially with our foreign allies.

Plus what the heck do Liberals know about war anyways other than bashing our own soldiers and emboldening our enemies????

There, that should knot up some panties.

You wear ignorance well--makes your thighs look quite thin, actually. Kudos to you, sir!

A more relevent question would be what does Bush and his administration know about war?
Bush told Tim Russert he was the "war president". Yet when Dubya had a chance to go to war he hid in the National Guard.

I would like to know if others have seen the same thing I have...

Most of the conservs, and I mean the real hard core ones, never rise in rank or position above what could be called middle management. They are too rigid in their thinking and have trouble adapting to changing conditions.

Some of the wealthest people in the US today call them selves conservitaves, but the really rich ones, when there are no reporters around, will be the first to tell you they made their money because they were lucky and not smart. When market conditions change they just retire as they cannot adapt to changing markets.

Most of the real leaders, and by that I mean people that must make decisions on which fortunes rise and fall or who have life and death responsibilities, are more liberal in their thinking. They have to be because they have to see all sides of an event or set of circumstances and pick the best one. When the difference between life and death can be measured in seconds if is best to have someone who can think quickly and improvise if necessary.

The Commander in Chief during WWII was FDR, and our war effort then went well. The only atomic weapons ever used were used by Truman, a Democrat, and that, by many estimates, shortened the war with Japan by seven years.

Hitler, by the way, was considered to be very conservative. His knowledge of war was, according to his own Generals, on par with a Corporals' as that was the highest rank he ever rose to. When things did not go his way he was without the resources to change course. His thinking was just too rigid.

I have, over the years, known a number of higher ranking military people, business people, Communist leaders and even a Royal or two and I have found them all to be well rounded people. The world is a small place, and a decision by OPEC can take down a nation if the leader does not know how to cope, so a well rounded leader will be successful and a rigid one will not.

Contrary to popular thought the military people, or at least the ones I knpw, had no trouble with who was Commander in Chief. Be it Bush or Clinton, if the CoC said go these people were ready to walk barefoot through hell if they had to in order to defend the US. I once asked a US Navy leader his opinion on gays in the service and he was against them coming out. He did not mind them serving, but if they came out it caused a problem with the other saliors. He was fully behind, "Don't ask, don't tell," and he knew of a number of gays under his command, all of which he had no problem with.

He put gays in the same catagory as drunks, drug users, slackers or broken equipment... He did not care about how you lived your life, but he would not allow anyone or anything to interfer with his mission which was to have his fleet ready for duty at all times. Anything that detracted from mission readiness would not be tolerated. If you were a drunk but could overhaul a two-cycle engine then you were all righ with him, but when you could not do your job, for whatever reason, you were out.

He also instruced his Captains to watch out for anyone under their command that was too religious. There was only one God in his fleet, and He was it. I think anyone who has been in the Navy will know what i am talking about here. Gen. Patton said it best: "They can lose their fear of God, but they better never lose their fear of me."

We will not know if Obama will be a leader until a few years have passed. Then the world can compare him with Bush and decide: Which type of person makes the better leader when there is real responsibility on the line? The lucky or the smart?

Pooka

You've been in the Air Guard, how many years?

Maybe he's not as stupid as he seems.

- Peter.

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