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Old 01-07-2009, 08:49 PM
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Hey Hatterasguy!

I know you are a boat guy; what do you think of this one? How much do you think it would cost to finish and would it be worth it?


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Old 01-07-2009, 10:55 PM
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Its hard to say without actualy looking at the boat. But that is a well made boat with good engines.

I'd WAG no more than $20k, to make it real nice, if you do a lot of the work yourself. Thats a guess. Your never going to get your money back, boats arn't investments. But that is a boat thats worth putting money into, its well made and you will have something nice when your done.

Personaly I would go with the convertable:


I think its a better designed boat and more usable.

Or if you want something a bit newer the 32 is a nice boat:



Or for a lot less you can get a very similer boat made by Chris Craft:
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Old 01-07-2009, 11:00 PM
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That first yellow one just seems to remind me of the Orca from Jaws for some reason....
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Old 01-07-2009, 11:08 PM
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That was the popular color back in the 60's. But by now most have been repainted, or need to be.

White is a good color for boats, it stays looking nice.
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Old 01-08-2009, 07:47 AM
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Those old Hatts are solid glass hulled and really overbuilt as they weren't real sure about fiberglass technology back then. A friend of ours had a sistership to that one. For a 34'er there is a lot of room inside and out. His had gas Chryslers in it and he'd cruise at about the same 8-9 kts. but I'm sure used a fair amount more of fuel to do it. He was a canvas/upholstery guy so he was able to do all that himself. He painted the hull with one of those 2 part epoxy brush-on applications. It came out pretty decent, he could have faired it a little more but he was happy with it. He sold it two years ago to buy a single diesel trawler and got $18,500 for it. The market has dropped for boats in the 30+ range, especially old heavy ones.

It all comes down to your DIYability and your expectations. Interiorwise it sounds like there's just a lot of sanding and varnishing to do. If you want the hull painted it'd probably run you $500-750 with one of those DIY systems and a LOT of labor, $7000-9000 if you want it professionally prepped and shot with Imron/Awlgrip. Mechanically it sounds like it's in good shape.

With an eBay auction, time is of the essence. But I'd see if the seller would make the sale contingent on a professional Marine Survey if you're high bidder. They can uncover lots of hidden joys like water intrusion, blistering and delamination as well as making sure those diesels aren't on the verge of self-destruction.

If your looking for a water condo or just need that much cabin space it's a lot of boat for the money. In my case I'd be worried about kids up on the decks with little more than a rail, if your kids are older or if you don't have any, that's obviously less of a concern.
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Old 01-08-2009, 12:17 PM
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What do you think of a nice Bayliner? It's the only boat I've been on configured as the above ones. Is Sea Ray near the top of the line in affordable boats? Thanks!
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Old 01-08-2009, 01:38 PM
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What do you think of a nice Bayliner? It's the only boat I've been on configured as the above ones. Is Sea Ray near the top of the line in affordable boats? Thanks!
Bayliners catch a lot of flack from "real" boat owners. They're comparatively inexpensive, light (easy to tow) and give a lot of bang for the buck. They're not unlike the marine equivalent of a Hyundai. Early derision was generally warranted but as time has gone by QC has increased. They're a fine boat for protected waters (lakes, rivers, near coastal cruising).

I was never really a Sea Ray guy until I found mine, however I've been pleasantly surprised at the structural aspects and hardware used by the factory. Plus you'd be hard-pressed to find a "bigger" 21' as far as sleeping accomodations go. That said, we've started looking around at convertibles/SF's in the 31'-34' range. I much prefer running a boat from a flybridge. If I find the right late 70's, all fiberglass 33' Egg Harbor w/galley-up at a distress sale I'm all over it.



My father has the next generation design of the above boat (sistership below and his is even for sale-Anyone interested???) but I like the older design a little more and love all of the varnished brightwork and teak cockpit sole.



Although this is my favorite FG design:

'63/'64 Hatteras 34' SF
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Old 01-08-2009, 07:03 PM
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What do you think of a nice Bayliner? It's the only boat I've been on configured as the above ones. Is Sea Ray near the top of the line in affordable boats? Thanks!
The old Bayliners are junk, the new ones are about the same as Sea Ray's. Think Chevy of boats.
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Swamp you should look at the Chris Craft Commanders too. They made a nice 36 and you can get them cheap.

I know people love that generation of Egg Harbor, I worked on a 42 and wasn't a big fan. But I suspect the boat was just tired. It was a very wet lose boat, everything leaked. I think it was fished off shore hard for a bit.

Their was a 1986 36ft commander for sale at Brewers on the Housatonic, it was a clean boat, only had about 400 hours on a pair of 454's or 502's, I forget. At the time they wanted like $35k, but that was 3-4 years ago. Now its probably worth $15k.
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I like the old Stamas 32
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Old 01-09-2009, 07:41 AM
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Swamp you should look at the Chris Craft Commanders too. They made a nice 36 and you can get them cheap.

I know people love that generation of Egg Harbor, I worked on a 42 and wasn't a big fan. But I suspect the boat was just tired. It was a very wet lose boat, everything leaked. I think it was fished off shore hard for a bit.

Their was a 1986 36ft commander for sale at Brewers on the Housatonic, it was a clean boat, only had about 400 hours on a pair of 454's or 502's, I forget. At the time they wanted like $35k, but that was 3-4 years ago. Now its probably worth $15k.
Chris, I love the old Chris Crafts, too. I like boats that look like boats. I looked at a '67 27' Commander that I was real tempted by. It was a hardtop express, no bridge, single screw though. If it had twin small blocks I'd probably own it. The '28 CC Catalinas have a nice layout, too. Even though I really need to have enough room for everyone to move around I haven't decided if I want to make that fuel consumption jump from 27'+ with small blocks to 32'+ with big blocks. 18-20 gals./hr. to 35-45 gal./hr. is a big leap!
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Old 01-09-2009, 12:40 PM
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Chris, I love the old Chris Crafts, too. I like boats that look like boats. I looked at a '67 27' Commander that I was real tempted by. It was a hardtop express, no bridge, single screw though. If it had twin small blocks I'd probably own it. The '28 CC Catalinas have a nice layout, too. Even though I really need to have enough room for everyone to move around I haven't decided if I want to make that fuel consumption jump from 27'+ with small blocks to 32'+ with big blocks. 18-20 gals./hr. to 35-45 gal./hr. is a big leap!
Big blocks are nice though, my grandfathers 315 would cruise at 25-26 knots at 3,200 RPM. I remember when fuel was cheap, we used to run it almost WOT to Port Jeff for lunch or dinner. He didn't mind burning off a quick 40 or 50 gallons.

That boat is a Ray Hunt design, when it got rough out we could keep up with larger boats, like 36 or 38 SeaRay's.
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Thanks, Swamp. I was on-board a Bayliner on the American River in Sacramento, CA. in '87. for a short cruise. It must have not been over 23' or so in length. Not a big boat at all, a fiberglass entry level cabin cruiser it seemed to me. I was very much liking the whole boat deal. I think it had a 350 c.i. Chevy engine, as I remember, but not sure. It was not large, but had the canopy over where you ride out-of-doors, with the driver's seat kind of elevated from the deck. It was definitely not a upper deck control Bayliner, like your pictures.

'Bout 10 years ago. a doctor pal of mine had about an 18' Sea Ray ski/runaboat, with front seating area.....it was new. Looked top quality to me.
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Thanks, Swamp. I was on-board a Bayliner on the American River in Sacramento, CA. in '87. for a short cruise. It must have not been over 23' or so in length. Not a big boat at all, a fiberglass entry level cabin cruiser it seemed to me. I was very much liking the whole boat deal. I think it had a 350 c.i. Chevy engine, as I remember, but not sure. It was not large, but had the canopy over where you ride out-of-doors, with the driver's seat kind of elevated from the deck. It was definitely not a upper deck control Bayliner, like your pictures.

'Bout 10 years ago. a doctor pal of mine had about an 18' Sea Ray ski/runaboat, with front seating area.....it was new. Looked top quality to me.
If it's your first venture into boatownership find something in the 20' +/- range. Easy to handle, launch, tow, dock single-handedly and if you'll have a first mate that's also a newbie it's a nice easy size to learn on without getting into too much trouble. And take a safe boating course, CT requires it but many states don't. It's still a real good idea to take it even if not required.

I don't have any good pics here on my computer but here's a pic of mine at the beach (oldest two in the water):


It's only 21', very easy for me to do everything myself while the Mrs. kept the young un's coralled out of the way. I wanted a cabin for sleeping though, and it's got a v-berth for 2 and a fullsize berth under the helm station that sleeps 2 along with an enclosed head and a small galley w/single burner alcohol stove, icebox and sink. Now that the kids have grown it's gotten a bit close for comfort and while I love the fuel consumption of the 4.3L once it's up on plane, bigger kids+more stuff+bigger father =harder time getting up on plane.
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Old 01-09-2009, 01:33 AM
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Thanks for the replys guys, I was away from my computer all day and couldn't back on-line till now. Good info from all. I may be in the market for a S/F or cruiser in the mid-future and wanted to start researching now. The boat in the auction looks like a good deal but I don't have the time or place (or know-how) to do the work my self so that one probably wouldn't be the one.
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