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Old 02-24-2009, 08:07 AM
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The Navy Has a Top-Secret Vessel It Wants to Put on Display
Sea Shadow and Its Satellite-Proof Barge Need a Home; Plotting in Providence

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By BARRY NEWMAN

PROVIDENCE, R.I. -- Anybody want some top-secret seagoing vessels? The Navy has a pair it doesn't need anymore. It has been trying to give them away since 2006, and they're headed for the scrap yard if somebody doesn't speak up soon.

One is called Sea Shadow. It's big, black and looks like a cross between a Stealth fighter and a Batmobile. It was made to escape detection on the open sea. The other is known as the Hughes (as in Howard Hughes) Mining Barge. It looks like a floating field house, with an arching roof and a door that is 76 feet wide and 72 feet high. Sea Shadow berths inside the barge, which keeps it safely hidden from spy satellites.

The barge, by the way, is the only fully submersible dry dock ever built, making it very handy -- as it was 35 years ago -- for trying to raise a sunken nuclear-armed Soviet submarine.

"I'm fascinated by the possibilities," Frank Lennon said one morning recently. Mr. Lennon runs -- or ran -- a maritime museum here in Providence. He was standing in a sleet storm on a wharf below a power plant, surveying the 297-foot muck-encrusted hulk of a Soviet submarine that he owns. His only exhibit, it was open to the public until April 2007, when a northeaster hit Providence and the sub sank.

Army and Navy divers refloated it this past summer with the aid of chains and air tanks. Mr. Lennon can't help but imagine how his sub might look alongside the two covert Cold War castoffs from the Navy. "They would be terrific for our exhibit," he said, watching the sleet come down.

But a gift ship from the Navy comes with lots of strings attached to the rigging. A naval museum, the Historic Naval Ships Association warns, is "a bloodthirsty, paperwork ridden, permit-infested, money-sucking hole..." Because the Navy won't pay for anything -- neither rust scraping nor curating -- to keep museums afloat, survival depends on big crowds. That's why many of the 48 ships it has given away over 60 years were vessels known for performing heroically in famous battles.

Museum entrepreneurs like Mr. Lennon who don't have much money can only fantasize about Sea Shadow and its barge. After all, a pair of mysterious vessels that performed their heroics out of the public eye can't have much claim to fame. Glen Clark, the Navy's civilian ship-disposal chief, has received just one serious call about the two vessels, and it didn't lead to a written application.

The Navy's insistence on donating Sea Shadow and the barge as a twofer may also explain the lack of interest. Here is the Navy's vision for a museum display as Mr. Clark describes it:

"When you're driving down the road, you can't see the Sea Shadow. You have to pay for your ticket to go on board the Hughes Mining Barge, and then you see the Sea Shadow. That has the capability of preserving the aura of secrecy of the program."

Possibly. It might also cause drivers to drive right by the hulking rust-bucket without devoting a thought to stopping.
[Frank Lennon]

The Hughes Mining Barge actually has nothing to do with mining or with the late, reclusive Mr. Hughes. He merely let the Central Intelligence Agency use his name in 1974 to cover up its mission to raise a Soviet submarine from the floor of the Pacific Ocean.

The adventure was publicized as the expedition of another new vessel, the Hughes Glomar Explorer, to mine for minerals on the seabed. To grab a sub, the ship needed a giant claw. But because it was big and unwieldy, the claw couldn't be installed in the ship at dockside. That's where the "mining" barge came in.

The claw was assembled inside it. According to Curtis Crooke, retired president of Global Marine Development Inc., the company that did the work, the barge with the claw inside was then towed off the California coast and submersed. The Glomar Explorer was positioned over it, and the claw hoisted into its belly.

Then the Explorer went sub hunting (exactly how much of the sub it retrieved, if anything, has never been declassified) and the barge went into mothballs.

"That's all it was used for," says Mr. Crooke, "to put the claw inside the Explorer." Would the barge work as a museum? "It's just a big old dumb barge," he says. "Now, the Sea Shadow, that's a way-out spacey kind of thing. You could tell a story about that."

The Glomar Explorer was refitted as a drill ship. The barge -- thanks to its satellite-proof roof -- got a second secret job for the Navy and its contractor, Lockheed Missiles & Space Co. In the early 1980s, Sea Shadow was assembled inside it. At a cost later put at $195 million, it aimed to attain the same invisibility at sea that it had in the federal budget.

Sea Shadow, 160 feet long and 70 feet wide, was the Navy's first experimental stealth ship. Its special coatings, sharp angles and other confidential doohickeys allowed it to baffle radar and sonar. Viewed bow-on, it looks like a squat letter "A" standing on two submerged pontoons for exceptional stability on rough seas.

From the start, Sea Shadow moved at night, towed from its California dock inside its barge and launched onto the open sea to sail on its own in darkness.

S.K. Gupta, now a vice president at Lockheed Martin Space Systems, was in the crew. He recalls watching a glass of Coke on the bridge barely ripple in 12-foot waves. In war games with the Navy off San Diego, he says, "We operated during the night with impunity. We could disappear and sneak up on whomever we wanted. Nobody thought we could do it. A ship is usually hard to hide."

The Navy brought Sea Shadow out of the shadows for daylight tests in 1993, setting off a flash of publicity. It hit the cover of Popular Mechanics. Revell made a plastic model. A mad media mogul used a Sea Shadow look-alike to foment war between Britain and China in a 1997 James Bond movie "Tomorrow Never Dies."

In 2006, its experimental life at an end, Sea Shadow and the barge it was boxed in were struck from the Navy's register and tied up in Suisun Bay, near San Francisco. The technologies it developed have sired a generation of land-attack destroyers and ocean-surveillance ships. "Sea Shadow is the mother of all stealth ships in the world," says Mr. Gupta. It ought to be displayed out in the open on dry land, he thinks, its invisibility visible to all.

The Navy's Mr. Clark says, "We're looking at that option." In December, Sea Shadow got a one-year reprieve from the junk yard. And in Providence, Mr. Lennon got one more year to dream.

Retreating from the sleet, he was in the Sealand Diner eating breakfast with Ed Sciaba. Mr. Lennon is 66 years old and an ex-Green Beret. Mr. Sciaba, 54, is a scrap dealer ready to tow Mr. Lennon's sunken Soviet sub to his yard.

Mr. Sciaba knew nothing of Sea Shadow or the CIA's sub-raising venture. As Mr. Lennon recounted the details, he got excited.

"Hell of an idea," he said. "That's a museum I'd go to."

"You could tell the story of the Cold War," said Mr. Lennon.

Mr. Sciaba banged his coffee mug on the table. "Let's go get 'em and tow 'em back here!" he said. Mr. Lennon turned his gaze to the storm outside, and Mr. Sciaba picked up the check.

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Old 02-24-2009, 08:22 AM
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Is this part of the "Glomar Explorer" (a Hughes/CIA) project used to raised (or attempt to) a Soviet sub back in the day?

Interesting article on that project:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,879453-1,00.html
"Aware that the salvage operation would also raise the bodies of the dead Russian officers and men, the CIA had made what it felt was the proper arrangements. The Glomar Explorer was equipped with special cooling facilities that could accommodate up to 100 corpses. In the forward section of the submarine were a number of bodies. While a loudspeaker played a recording of the Soviet national anthem, a funeral service was read in Russian and English. As a CIA cameraman filmed the proceedings in color and sound, the bodies were buried at sea from the Glomar Explorer, each neatly shrouded in canvas."


And why not use the stealth ship to hunt Somali pirates? Or do we have something better out there now?

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Old 02-24-2009, 09:04 AM
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There is a great show on the History Channel about it, they intentionally leaked information about its mission....deep sea nickle mining.
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Old 02-24-2009, 09:13 AM
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There is a great show on the History Channel about it, they intentionally leaked information about its mission....deep sea nickle mining.

TV? I'm old enough to remember the episode. Howard Hughes was the perfect co-conspirator in this project.

I don't recall how long it stayed under wraps. Some years I think. I do recall the Russians mildly protesting the treatment of their sailors.
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Old 02-24-2009, 09:48 AM
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Imagine getting it into full operational mode and hunting pirates...that would be fun!!
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ships without air cover, no matter how stealthy will be killed, just dumb luck will work against them
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Old 02-24-2009, 11:35 AM
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Imagine getting it into full operational mode and hunting pirates...that would be fun!!
Haha that would just be overkill. Most pirates don't even use radar and even if they do they probably aren't the type of sets that can tell the difference between a freighter and a warship....


That being sad it would probably scare the crap out of anyone its bearing down on.
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Haha that would just be overkill. Most pirates don't even use radar and even if they do they probably aren't the type of sets that can tell the difference between a freighter and a warship....


That being sad it would probably scare the crap out of anyone its bearing down on.
It'd scare the hell outta me, that's for sure!

Tell you what, I'll get it and we can take it fishing...
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It'd scare the hell outta me, that's for sure!

Tell you what, I'll get it and we can take it fishing...

If it scares you then it would scare away the fish
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If it scares you then it would scare away the fish
Perhaps...but think of all the beer that boat would hold!!!
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I imagine that whatever secrets this vessel holds are pretty well known to everyone in the 'stealth' business by now, but this reminds me of a conversation I once had with a defence researcher in the early 1970's.

I asked him if he ever got and ideals from watching science fiction movies and he said maybe, but his research ws usually about 30 to 50 years ahead of the sci-fi world.

the cost of this vessel might seem high, but the amount of knowledge gained from this research will make it look cheap in the future.

If this vessel does not find a home somewhere it will wind up on www.govliquidation.com which is the most incredible site for killing time.

If it is sold on this site it will only be sold for scrap.
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I am sure it will be bought and converted into a private yacht.....hmmm
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I am sure it will be bought and converted into a private yacht.....hmmm

Good idea but I think the guys over at Wally won't be too happy about that.


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Good idea but I think the guys over at Wally won't be too happy about that.
They'd be a nice complementary pair at the dock in Monaco.
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They should give it to the Chinese to write down $200m of our debt.

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