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Hatterasguy · #1 03-06-2009, 01:31 AM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29530465/

Remember this story? No duh the guy is crazy, so what? Put a bullit in his head and remove this waste of life. Treat him for what reason? Send him back out into society? Why waste the manpower and money.

jplinville · #2 03-06-2009, 01:36 AM

That's crazy...

jt20 · #3 03-06-2009, 01:46 AM

hey bro.. .it's like survival of the fittest.. and junk

cmac2012 · #4 03-06-2009, 01:54 AM

Maybe life in a loony bin would be appropriate but this guy being released after a few years? whack

Hatterasguy · #5 03-06-2009, 09:25 AM

If he is released and kills again the judge should be charged as an accomplice.

Brian Carlton · #6 03-06-2009, 09:33 AM

In NY, there are institutions for the criminally insane. Whether he lives the remainder of his days behind bars or whether he lives in an institution for the criminally insane is of no difference to me.

The key is that he is not released to society at any time in the future. Such a person is never going to be "cured" of whatever ails him. The problem is the very murky area that exists with regard to the determination of his status in the future. It's happened, many times in the past, that a judge determines the individual "fit" for return to society. He returns to his criminal behavior in short order, to the outrage of the community. That's the real issue here.

pawoSD · #7 03-06-2009, 09:38 AM

I agree, I don't get how they can release him without thinking about when he might strike again. What are they thinking?!

Brian Carlton · #8 03-06-2009, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by pawoSD

I agree, I don't get how they can release him without thinking about when he might strike again. What are they thinking?!

I'm sure they are not releasing him at the present time. The question is how and when they consider his "release" in the future.

lutzTD · #9 03-06-2009, 09:53 AM

hopefully the doctors that allowed him to immigrate wont be the ones deciding if he should be released

Zeus · #10 03-06-2009, 09:54 AM

This story was disgusting, really shook me up.

My first thoughts were with Hattie - all that should be spent on this person is a $0.20 bullet.

However, now that the emotions have cleared, it seems obvious he is mentally ill. He isn't going to be 'released' anytime soon. He'll likely spend the rest of his life in a mental institution, under lock and key.

I think we need to try and understand people like this, to learn what has happened to their minds to drive them to psychopathic behaviour. It is an illness, and should be treated as one. The more we understand it, the better we can perhaps recognize, predict and prevent it. Perhaps one day even 'cure' it.

That said, if I were the victim's family, I would probably feel much differently about it...back to that $0.20 bullet...

Carleton Hughes · #11 03-06-2009, 10:00 AM

Think about it for a minute.
If the fellow is really mentally ill then chances are nonexistent that he can ever be a productive,let alone safe member of society.
Why should society be burdened with useless and dangerous goods?

Fulcrum525 · #12 03-06-2009, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton

In NY, there are institutions for the criminally insane. Whether he lives the remainder of his days behind bars or whether he lives in an institution for the criminally insane is of no difference to me.

The key is that he is not released to society at any time in the future. Such a person is never going to be "cured" of whatever ails him. The problem is the very murky area that exists with regard to the determination of his status in the future. It's happened, many times in the past, that a judge determines the individual "fit" for return to society. He returns to his criminal behavior in short order, to the outrage of the community. That's the real issue here.

I'm sure we all remember this one...

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/24/nyregion/24slay.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,290542,00.html

lutzTD · #13 03-06-2009, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Carleton Hughes

Think about it for a minute.
If the fellow is really mentally ill then chances are nonexistent that he can ever be a productive,let alone safe member of society.
Why should society be burdened with useless and dangerous goods?

thats a slippery slope, if we let that happen then your own safety will be held in the hand of those that define worthless and worthwhile.

Zeus · #14 03-06-2009, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Carleton Hughes

Think about it for a minute.
If the fellow is really mentally ill then chances are nonexistent that he can ever be a productive,let alone safe member of society.
Why should society be burdened with useless and dangerous goods?

To learn why he is like that. I have a family member that is a professor and psychologist. She studies criminal behaviour.

One could argue that such pursuits are in vain, but the more we learn and understand what causes psychopathic behaviour, we may one day be able to either flag it on a genetic basis early in life and begin treatment/counselling, or perhaps even cure it.

It's a difficult topic. There are times when I feel like pulling the trigger on guys like this myself. Then other times I feel pity and realize that there is something wrong on a biological basis. This doesn't seem like some punk who was trying to get into a gang or something. This person has a disease, a disorder that prevents their brain from functioning like ours. It could be genetic in origin, a metabolic problem, etc. Something we could perhaps one day learn to cure.

sfloriII · #15 03-06-2009, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Carleton Hughes

Think about it for a minute.
If the fellow is really mentally ill then chances are nonexistent that he can ever be a productive,let alone safe member of society.
Why should society be burdened with useless and dangerous goods?

WOW! I agree what he did was horrible and should never be allowed to happen again.
But the "burden" to society? I hope you don't extend that view to elderly or mentally handicapped people. Thing is, who is anyone to judge another person's relevence or merit in society? In this man's case, he could be studied so that scientists can learn what caused his illness and help others not suffer the same thing. That's just one merit.

I hope I simply misinterpreted your post.