Maybe you can help him out and tell him who your provider is, at the end this forum is here to help each other.;)

What?!? I demand 100% acquiescence. Try again.

You're not being helpful. What I said was true. I might just add that my health insurance is 80% paid for by my employer and I highly doubt I could get better value for my money elsewhere even if I find a better plan as my employer certainly would not reimburse me for the 80%. So I'm kind of stuck with this crappy plan. That's the nature of employer-based insurance.

You want Boobermint Healthcare?

Go ask an American Indian, living on a Non-Gaming Reservation...

They'll tell you how great it is.

Let Uncle "O" fix THAT first and let it bake in the sun for 5-10 years, then come back and ask us what we think.

If Uncle Sam and his illegitimate schemers can't fix what's already there, I'm not going to be the first, or the last, to believe "O" is going to do it any better than private healthcare, regardless the premiums and OOP (Out-Of-Pocket) payments I have to handle now.

Seriously, look at the American Indian Health Clinics NOW...

And you think, for ONE SECOND, we're going to get better service?

Isn't THAT discrimination?

Well, isn't it??

Or, are we...the Blacks, Whites, Yellows and whatevers, worth better healthcare than the Redman????

Com'on!!! Let's hear how that will all be taken care of...under "O-Care" - or doesn't anyone see that in the 1,026+ pages of tripe being paraded around the country right now?

And remember...this is just the HOUSE plan...

We haven't seen WHAT the SENATE version of the bill will be like...

And, when that heaping, steaming pile of promises finally gets mixed in with whatever the FINAL VERSION of the HOUSE plan may end up being...then the whole stink-fest gets shoved into a little room, the riches are divided up, the cronies make out like bandits and you and I get stuck with the bill...and BTW, if what's in the HOUSE version stays...you won't have a say in whether you'll pay the bill or not...

Your bank accounts will be electronically linked to Uncle O...and in order to get any services, you'll need the Boobermint Healtcrap ID Card...nationalized for your benefit...if you get any... :rolleyes:

Listen, we can't disadvantage the aged voters with ID cards and the like, but when it comes to "O-Care" - you'd better like it or we'll tatoo it on your ass.

Or...is it your forehead? ( With some folks, it would pay to wear a hat that day!!! ) :eek: :D

I just love your guys daydreams about who you think I am and what I do.

Do you kick people in wheelchairs also ?

Actualy, I am considered 100% disabled for multiple reasons.
Physical, and mental.

But I choose to be in a SS program that allows me to do what I can.

I still work.
Heck, I even have employees that work with me now part time.

Have any of you guys lived thru becoming permanently 100% disabled from a cronic progressive illness ?

I doubt seriously you have with the horrible comments you have directed towards me.

Severe adversity has taught me many things.
Including compassion for others.
A lesson many people could use.

I hope you guys find a way to be happy.
It must be miserable living with that much fear and hate.

But I guess in the end you will have the last laugh.
You will most likely live longer lives, with less pain than I will.

Thanks soooo much ! for reminding me John Doe, cscmc1, and others....

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We have some good hospitals here in the US.
And a system that works pretty well if you can afford to pay for good health insurance.

But we have 56 million uninsured American citizens that do not fair as well as the Europeans you have seen that have enough money to fly here and seek health care.

Do we only want rich people to have access to hospitals ?

The argument for health care reform in America is about access to services.
Not about the quality of the services.

And there is nothing in the bill that would create a single payer system, or government run hospitals similar to the European model.

Public Option does not equal Socialized Medicine, or Public Healthcare.

Though there seems to be many that want to mislead you into thinking it does.

No one's laughing Rich, and if it's any consolation at all, I don't wish pain or an abbreviated existence on anyone. That said, your "compassion" is often suspect at best when you perpetually accuse anyone not toeing your line of being a Fox News junkie or "Right Wing Playbook" zealot. Fact is, different folks have very different (and sometimes quite valid) perspectives than you do. Your dismissive replies are not useful one bit; quite the opposite, they are roadblocks to any constructive dialogue. (BTW, I am well aware that I'm not above the occasional knee-jerk or mean-spirited reply. I've apologized for posts before, and I'll probably feel the need to again).

Perhaps next time you feel the urge to accuse someone of watching too much Glenn Beck, you can channel some of that compassion instead. Somehow I manage to get along quite well with my many quite liberal friends; while we may disagree heartily, it's always satisfying to spar a bit over lunch or a backyard beer and arrive at some level of understanding of one another. After all, isn't it in the gray area between the more extreme opinions where compromise hides?

In any case, don't assume I wish you ill-will or take any satisfaction in your disability. (Likewise, please don't assume that I know nothing of disabilities, either). I don't live in hate at all (quite the opposite -- I am thankful every day for the many opportunities and blessings I see), and while it may make no difference to you, I certainly don't "hate" you.

As a person without a "group", I can tell you that the coverage that you have is simply not available to most of us.

I recently paid for and had a PPO plan where I could go out of network if I chose to do so. The provider would pay 80% of reasonable and customary expenses. The issue is the definition of reasonable and customary. The HMO would typically decide that reasonable and customary was about 30% of the retail charges that were presented by the doctor. Therefore, the patient is responsible for the remaining 70%.

The same thing occurs when a person without insurance needs care. They get a bill for 3X or 4X the price that the provider would actually accept from the insurance company. The provider refuses to negotiate the figure downward. Many people are bankrupted due to this practice.

This ongoing system of two prices..........one retail.........one wholesale for the HMO..........has got to stop.

BTW, if I could get your plan at some reasonable cost (say $7K per year), I'd do it in a heartbeat.

another hard subject to tie down. I have a good plan at work, trouble is some of the doctors try to do little tricks like making these prepackaged kits. I had a charge for a tongue depressor, no kidding, a wood stick that in my estimation should have been $.05, the doctor billed $32, insurance paid $25 and I had to send the doctor $7. in the "kit" was a tongue depreessor, a q-tip, a few cotton balls and one or 2 squres of cotton mesh, all in a plastic tub selaed with a plastic sheet. unbelievable. when I was a kid tongue depressors were in a jar and I remember getting 10 or so of them to play with while the doctor talked to my mom.

Can you cite anything that backs up your belief?


How many different kinds of insurance have you had? How is your dad covered by your insurance anyway? What does it cost per year?


You call his insurance crappy. I wonder if you know how many insurance plans are available that allow what yours does.

Well, it's a good starting to point for finding out the facts. Instead of attacking the source, intellectual honesty demands you should attack the facts presented. As far as I can see, you have not even provided a link to show what the Irish Health Minister said or did not say, so you fault me yet you post nothing but hearsay, something you compound later with your utterly inaccurate characterization of what is in the proposed health plan. As far as the subject of this thread goes, the first thing that indicates you have no deep knowledge on the subject, is the embarassingly glaring error you make when you refer to the Irish Health Minister as "he", when in fact the Honorable Minister is a woman. Perhaps if you spent a little time acquiring knowledge, whatever the source might be, your argumentation skills could improve.

I appreciate the comment.

The world is filled with enough lies, fear and hate.
It seems sick to me that some people like Glen Beck and friends try to spread so much of it around to increase their ratings, and make a buck off of it.

Your right, here is my new line on this.

Not everyone deserves to have health care. If you work and can afford it great. But if you work a low paying job at a fast food place don't expect $1k a month in medical benifits. You don't get it, get sick and do the best you can paying, or die. Thats how it was for hundreds of years.

Their are no good middle class jobs left anymore to pay for all of this. We sent them all over seas. So now were stuck. The governments broke, and their is no one left to pay for it.

Holy Krap !!! It went up 9 million since yesterday. :eek: :eek: :eek: