Just curious now that the admin has decided to try the 911 crew in civilian court what the folks here think about it. Personaly I think it's a moronic idea. Obama should have used his authority to undo one of Bush's more egregious errors and take this outside of the civilian sphere. But anyway. I'm obviously voting that it's a bad idea.

- Peter.

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return of the lunch mob......remember the scene around the Frankenstein(pronoounced Fronkensteen)castle where the villagers are holding the torches? That's what comes to mind.

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Here you go.

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I see it as red meat for the left winger fanatics. Imagine the field day defense lawyers will have with discovery. They will likely be able to totally undermine and destroy the CIA, and the President can say it was done by the courts; not him.

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I think its a crying shame we havn't killed them by now. If I was President I would have beheaded them on national TV and burried there body's with pig guts. Than I would have put their heads on spikes on public display.


Right out of the Brit's playbook.

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Our civilian courts have tried terrorists before. Why should we be afraid to try these terrorists the same way? This is America. We believe in due process. The only reason not to try KSM and his friends in civilian courts is that the case might fail - maybe the defendants will walk on what people like to call a "technicality." Well, most of the time, those pesky "technicalities" are there to protect fundamental, American rights. We should have the courage to put our money where our mouth is.

Why would that happen in this case when it didn't happen in previous terrorist cases tried in civilian courts?

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I, for one, am immensely gratefull you are not nor will ever be, President.

School Number One (SNO) in the town of Beslan, North Ossetia-Alania

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_hostage_crisis

or maybe something like this:

ZACARIAS MOUSSAOUI: “My Conspiracy Has For Aim To Free Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, The Blind Sheikh, Who Is Held In Florence, Colorado.” “…this conspiracy was a different conspiracy that 9/11. My conspiracy has for aim to free Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, the blind sheikh, who is held in Florence, Colorado, okay, and we wanted to use the 747 because it, it is a long-distance plane who could reach Afghanistan without any stopover to give a chance to special forces to storm the plane. So I am guilty of a broad conspiracy to use weapon of mass destruction to hit the White House if the American government refuse to negotiate, okay.” (United States Of America V. Zacarias Moussaoui, Trial Transcripts, P.28-9, 4/22/05)

Because this is not a civilian crime, it's an act of war and fundamental American rights in a civil context should not apply to enemy combatants in a war. The military should have handled them.

- Peter.

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OMAR ABDEL RAHMAN (“BLIND SHEIK”) TRIAL PROVIDED INTEL TO OSAMA BIN LADEN


MICHAEL MUKASEY, Former U.S. Attorney General: “In the multidefendant terrorism prosecution of Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman … the government was required to disclose, as it is routinely in conspiracy cases, the identity of all known co-conspirators … it was later learned that soon after the government's disclosure the list of unindicted co-conspirators had made its way to Bin Laden in Khartoum, Sudan.” (Michael Mukasey, “Civilian Courts Are No Place To Try Terrorists,” The Wall Street Journal, 10/19/09)

Post-Trial: The Blind Sheik’s Lawyer Smuggled Orders To Terrorists


ASSOCIATED PRESS: “A Veteran Civil Rights Lawyer Was Convicted Thursday Of Crossing The Line By Smuggling Messages Of Violence From One Of Her Jailed Clients - A Radical Egyptian Sheik - To His Terrorist Disciples On The Outside. The jury deliberated 13 days over the past month before convicting Lynne Stewart, 65, a firebrand, left-wing activist known for representing radicals and revolutionaries in her 30 years on the New York legal scene. The trial, which began last June, focused attention on the line between zealous advocacy and criminal behavior by a lawyer.” (“N.Y. Lawyer Convicted Of Aiding Terrorists,” AP, 2/10/05)

Post-Trial: The Blind Sheik’s Incarceration Sparked New Plots To Free Him


ZACARIAS MOUSSAOUI: “My Conspiracy Has For Aim To Free Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, The Blind Sheikh, Who Is Held In Florence, Colorado.” “…this conspiracy was a different conspiracy that 9/11. My conspiracy has for aim to free Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, Sheik Omar Abdel Rahman, the blind sheikh, who is held in Florence, Colorado, okay, and we wanted to use the 747 because it, it is a long-distance plane who could reach Afghanistan without any stopover to give a chance to special forces to storm the plane. So I am guilty of a broad conspiracy to use weapon of mass destruction to hit the White House if the American government refuse to negotiate, okay.” (United States Of America V. Zacarias Moussaoui, Trial Transcripts, P.28-9, 4/22/05)





RAMZI YOUSEF TRIAL TIPPED OFF TERRORISTS TO A COMMUNICATIONS LINK


MICHAEL MUKASEY, Former U.S. Attorney General: “Again, during the trial of Ramzi Yousef, the mastermind of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, an apparently innocuous bit of testimony in a public courtroom about delivery of a cell phone battery was enough to tip off terrorists still at large that one of their communication links had been compromised. That link, which in fact had been monitored by the government and had provided enormously valuable intelligence, was immediately shut down, and further information lost.” (Michael Mukasey, “Jose Padilla Makes Bad Law,” The Wall Street Journal, 8/22/07)

THE 9/11 COMMISSION REPORT: “…it created an impression that the law enforcement system was well-equipped to cope with terrorism. Neither President Clinton, his principal advisers, the Congress, nor the news media felt prompted, until later, to press the question of whether the procedures that put the Blind Sheikh and Ramzi Yousef behind bars would really protect Americans against the new virus of which these individuals were just the first symptoms…” (“The 9/11 Commission Report,” Pg. 72)





ZACARIAS MOUSSAOUI TRIAL INADVERTENTLY LEAKED SENSITIVE MATERIAL


CNBC NEWS: “The government went to the judge and said, ‘oops, we gave Moussaoui some documents he shouldn’t have.’ … documents that the government says should have been classified.” (“FBI Reveals New Details About 9/11 Hijackers,” CNBC, 9/26/02)

JUDGE LEONIE BRINKEMA: “Like a circus,” “people [lawyers] are talking about the contents of sealed hearings” to the media, “if I see any more what I think are inappropriate leaks, I’m going to ask the FBI to start an investigation.” (United States Of America V. Zacarias Moussaoui, Trial Transcripts, P.33-34, 4/22/05)

Moussaoui Used His Trial For Propaganda


“He Files Pleadings As ‘Zacarias Moussaoui, Slave Of Allah’ Against ‘Bush And Ashcroft, Slaves Of Satan.’” (“Moussaoui Tactics Put Terror Trial In Doubt,” The Kansas City Star, 6/9/03)

“At His Formal Sentencing Thursday, Moussaoui Leaned Forward In His Chair And Hissed: ‘God Curse America, And God Save Osama Bin Laden! You Will Never Get Him!’” (“Al-Qaeda Conspirator Is Sent ...,” The Washington Post, 5/7/06)

“Exiting Court After The Jury Left Tuesday, Moussaoui Exclaimed, ‘God Bless Mohamed Atta.’” (“Roommate: Moussaoui Saw Jihad As Way To Paradise,” CNN, 3/21/06)

MOUSSAOUI: “America Lost! I Won!” “U.S. District Judge Leonie M. Brinkema replied with a smile, noting that Moussaoui had yelled ‘America lost! I won!’ after the jury rejected the death penalty.” (“Al-Qaeda Conspirator Is Sent ...,” The Washington Post, 5/7/06)





EAST AFRICA EMBASSY BOMBING TRIALS AIDED OSAMA BIN LADEN


THE STAR – LEDGER (NJ): “The cost of disclosing information unwisely became clear after the New York trials of Bin Laden associates for the 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Africa. Some of the evidence indicated that the National Security Agency, the U.S. foreign eavesdropping organization, had intercepted cell phone conversations. Shortly thereafter, Bin Laden's organization stopped using cell phones to discuss sensitive operational details, U.S. intelligence sources said.” (“U.S. Wants To Build Case Against Bin Laden Without Aiding Him,” The Star-Ledger, 9/26/01)

THE NEW YORK TIMES: “More details about the use of satellite phones by Mr. Bin Laden and his lieutenants were revealed by federal prosecutors in the 2001 trial in federal district court in Manhattan of four men charged with conspiring to bomb two American embassies in east Africa in 1998.” (“Bush Account Of A Leak’s Impact has Support,” The New York Times, 12/20/05)

I agree.

- Peter.

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Anyone think it's a nothing more than a coincidence that this announcement came as soon as the Dear Leader is on the other side of the world and effectively unavailable for comment for a week?