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MTI 11-19-2009 03:58 PM

We Distort, You Decide
 
Once Again, FNC Producers Roll the Wrong Footage

Fox executives, embarrassed by the flap, are considering "serious disciplinary action" against someone in the control room, according to our friends at the Swamp.



In the control room? So, a producer in the control room can instantaneously punch in archive footage from 2008 for a November 2009 report? :rolleyes:

BodhiBenz1987 11-19-2009 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTI (Post 2343132)
Once Again, FNC Producers Roll the Wrong Footage

Fox executives, embarrassed by the flap, are considering "serious disciplinary action" against someone in the control room, according to our friends at the Swamp.




In the control room? So, a producer in the control room can instantaneously punch in archive footage from 2008 for a November 2009 report? :rolleyes:


Actually, yeah, that could probably happen pretty easily. I'd say the footage is all archived digitally, and it might not be that hard to hit the wrong footage. Just judging by how easy it is at a newspaper to click the wrong photo or accidentally use a photo from the wrong NHL game ... it's not hard to believe that's what happened here. Is it what happened? I don't know. But it's certainly happened at other news outlets.

daveuz 11-19-2009 04:08 PM

FNC "We alter real life. You are sold a preconceived narrative."

cmac2012 11-19-2009 04:28 PM

Hannity is w/o blame. In all things. In his "apology" about the wrong footage on his show the guy made it clear that the real stooges in this story are them at the Daily Show.

Stewart had some fun with it:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-november-12-2009/sean-hannity-apologizes-to-jon

daveuz 11-19-2009 05:06 PM

"By contrast, Fox presents an alternative reality where Republican hypocrisy, scandals and abuses of power are either spun into something they are not or, more frequently, simply not mentioned at all. As such, the depths of the historically unprecedented failure that was George Bush's presidency remain virtually unknown to Fox viewers. In the bargain, as the young Obama administration moves forward, attempting to deal with countless disasters they've inherited, issue after issue now comes as a complete surprise to the majority of Fox's audience."

johnjzjz 11-19-2009 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by daveuz (Post 2343188)
"By contrast, Fox presents an alternative reality where Republican hypocrisy, scandals and abuses of power are either spun into something they are not or, more frequently, simply not mentioned at all. As such, the depths of the historically unprecedented failure that was George Bush's presidency remain virtually unknown to Fox viewers. In the bargain, as the young Obama administration moves forward, attempting to deal with countless disasters they've inherited, issue after issue now comes as a complete surprise to the majority of Fox's audience."

reading that reminded me of someone being lost in space

nothing bush did or did not do was reported on fox - being told by pundits it was not means --?????????/

believeing what i have read you have said makes me think

There are two theories to arguing with liberals. Neither one works

MTI 11-19-2009 06:04 PM

There's no need for anyone else to "argue with liberals" . . . they do it well enough amongst themselves.

Unlike the mono-flavored "conservative" side of the coin, there's diversity of thought, aplenty, on the liberal side.

Brian Carlton 11-19-2009 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daveuz (Post 2343188)
"By contrast, Fox presents an alternative reality where Republican hypocrisy, scandals and abuses of power are either spun into something they are not or, more frequently, simply not mentioned at all. As such, the depths of the historically unprecedented failure that was George Bush's presidency remain virtually unknown to Fox viewers. In the bargain, as the young Obama administration moves forward, attempting to deal with countless disasters they've inherited, issue after issue now comes as a complete surprise to the majority of Fox's audience."

Exactly. It's a sad commentary that this organization exists solely for the purpose of discrediting the administration and not for any accurate news presentation whatsoever.

You can see the results of such programming on certain individuals on this thread.

MTI 11-19-2009 06:37 PM

Contrary . . . it exists, like all commercial media outlets, to generate income by apealling to a market segment that is underserved by anyone else. Murdoch products are hardly different than those from General Electric, Time Warner, Westinghouse, Disney, Sony or for that matter, Larry Flynt.

johnjzjz 11-19-2009 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 2343255)
Exactly. It's a sad commentary that this organization exists solely for the purpose of discrediting the administration and not for any accurate news presentation whatsoever.

You can see the results of such programming on certain individuals on this thread.


somehow i thought mods were not biased - jz

tonkovich 11-19-2009 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by johnjzjz (Post 2343275)
somehow i thought mods were not biased - jz

don't be naive; they're communist/socialist/muslim/fellow travelers, in league with obama. didn't you see the piece on o'reilly last night? :confused:

Brian Carlton 11-19-2009 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnjzjz (Post 2343275)
somehow i thought mods were not biased - jz

It doesn't take a PHD to realize that the sole purpose of Fox is to agitate the ultra-conservative base and gain eyeballs.

Sorry that you're unable to comprehend it, but I make no apologizes for widely known truths about the network.

Like most on the far right fringe, you'd done nothing but state Fox News positions.........you're clearly incapable of substantiating any conservative position.

In the future, you'll probably earn some additional trolling violations because of the lack of any substance in your posts. If you want to rant about the administration, there are plenty of forums for that. This is not one of them.

Brian Carlton 11-19-2009 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI (Post 2343274)
Contrary . . . it exists, like all commercial media outlets, to generate income by apealling to a market segment that is underserved by anyone else. Murdoch products are hardly different than those from General Electric, Time Warner, Westinghouse, Disney, Sony or for that matter, Larry Flynt.

Sorry, I honestly believed that there was some integrity in the news business and that the truth was to prevail above all else.

What a fool I've been.

It's no different than the practice of law. My own attorney will never go to the mat on a principle. If there is any possibility of settling the case........at any value.......it's better than spending the money and time on a trial. Another sad commentary of our times.

tonkovich 11-19-2009 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 2343286)
It doesn't take a PHD to realize that the sole purpose of Fox is to agitate the ultra-conservative base and gain eyeballs.

Sorry that you're unable to comprehend it, but I make no apologizes for widely known truths about the network.

Like most on the far right fringe, you'd done nothing but state Fox News positions.........you're clearly incapable of substantiating any conservative position.

In the future, you'll probably earn some additional trolling violations because of the lack of any substance in your posts. If you want to rant about the administration, there are plenty of forums for that. This is not one of them.

this is too much! i'm calling glenn beck. by the way, do you have a ...birth certificate? original? lou dobbs will be very interested in this forum.

Brian Carlton 11-19-2009 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by tonkovich (Post 2343289)
this is too much! i'm calling glenn beck

.........isn't that the guy who's in jail for rape and murder.......??

tonkovich 11-19-2009 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 2343292)
.........isn't that the guy who's in jail for rape and murder.......??

well, he hasn't denied it. yet. :D

(i hope my feeble attempts at satire haven't offended you.)

Brian Carlton 11-19-2009 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tonkovich (Post 2343293)
well, he hasn't denied it. yet. :D

(i hope my feeble attempts at satire haven't offended you.)

.........true.......that means he's got to be guilty..........

..........not at all.........I enjoy it..........;)

johnjzjz 11-19-2009 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 2343286)
It doesn't take a PHD to realize that the sole purpose of Fox is to agitate the ultra-conservative base and gain eyeballs.

Sorry that you're unable to comprehend it, but I make no apologizes for widely known truths about the network.

Like most on the far right fringe, you'd done nothing but state Fox News positions.........you're clearly incapable of substantiating any conservative position.

In the future, you'll probably earn some additional trolling violations because of the lack of any substance in your posts. If you want to rant about the administration, there are plenty of forums for that. This is not one of them.


(((( In the future, you'll probably earn some additional trolling violations

if its at the risk of free speach than it will be worn as a badge of honor

you procive my lack of substance reinforces my resolve

it is awfull to think one can be subjected to banishment because of differs of opinion WOW

The truth Police is on what channel SIR for i must be mistaken in my view and need redirection What was it again

(((( Sorry that you're unable to comprehend it, but I make no apologizes for widely known truths about the network.

(((( you'd done nothing but state Fox News positions

i must have missed something FOX has some big boys on it and i think they may state their own case i watch them sure and tonight Sarah is on at 8 pm selling a book WOW go figuer someone on th right can read AND write

GET a grip dude your not on earth alone -- jz

strelnik 11-19-2009 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by daveuz (Post 2343188)
"By contrast, Fox presents an alternative reality where Republican hypocrisy, scandals and abuses of power are either spun into something they are not or, more frequently, simply not mentioned at all. As such, the depths of the historically unprecedented failure that was George Bush's presidency remain virtually unknown to Fox viewers. In the bargain, as the young Obama administration moves forward, attempting to deal with countless disasters they've inherited, issue after issue now comes as a complete surprise to the majority of Fox's audience."


It's kind of like the speech Ian McKellen, as the nefarious Number Two, made in the last episode of the Prisoner:

"The man is impersonating Number Two. He is not Number Two. You will know he is not Number Two because he is not."

Well, shoot, ma, that explains everything.

Brian Carlton 11-19-2009 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnjzjz (Post 2343313)
GET a grip dude your not on earth alone -- jz

Yes, I'll surely "get a grip"...........and I'll be observing your posts more carefully in the future..........your rants belong elsewhere.

MTI 11-19-2009 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 2343287)
Sorry, I honestly believed that there was some integrity in the news business and that the truth was to prevail above all else.

What a fool I've been.

some might be right, it is certainly less now. Brian Williams of NBC news opined that Cronkite and his ilk could never exist in the newsrooms of today.

http://www.azcentral.com/community/tempe/articles/2009/11/19/20091119cronkite1119.html

In Cronkite's era, facts mattered more, he said. Opinion was kept out of the news. Now, it's difficult to separate news from opinion, but good journalism is out there for those who know where to look, he added.


Quote:

It's no different than the practice of law. My own attorney will never go to the mat on a principle. If there is any possibility of settling the case........at any value.......it's better than spending the money and time on a trial. Another sad commentary of our times.
An attorney does his client a disservice by not discussing the impracticallities of "going to the mat" for "the principle of the thing." Personally, I have seen fortunes squandered "for the priniciple of the thing" despite my own warnings. As a profession, attorneys are often depicted as "hired guns" but that tends to reflect that part of the practice that is all about the billing and not so much about the client.

Jim B. 11-19-2009 08:51 PM

Yikes....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by daveuz (Post 2343188)
" Fox presents an alternative reality where Republican hypocrisy, scandals and abuses of power are ... spun into something they are not

"Sarah Palin should be elected President of the United States in 2012 because she is the perfect representation of everything this country stands for".


Did I actually SAY that? Or just think it? :eek:

daveuz 11-19-2009 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTI (Post 2343343)
some might be right, it is certainly less now. Brian Williams of NBC news opined that Cronkite and his ilk could never exist in the newsrooms of today.

http://www.azcentral.com/community/tempe/articles/2009/11/19/20091119cronkite1119.html

In Cronkite's era, facts mattered more, he said. Opinion was kept out of the news. Now, it's difficult to separate news from opinion, but good journalism is out there for those who know where to look, he added.

.

Fox deals alot in manufactured news which is much different than opinion news.

Brian Carlton 11-19-2009 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTI (Post 2343343)

An attorney does his client a disservice by not discussing the impracticallities of "going to the mat" for "the principle of the thing." Personally, I have seen fortunes squandered "for the priniciple of the thing" despite my own warnings. As a profession, attorneys are often depicted as "hired guns" but that tends to reflect that part of the practice that is all about the billing and not so much about the client.


No objection to an attorney explaining the case to the client and the likelihood of prevailing if he can possibly put a realistic number on it.

But, as you know, most torts are taken on contingency and the cost of the litigation is borne by the attorney. As a profession, it takes an attorney with some integrity who views the law above the last dollar, to take a case to trial rather than settling for a reduced monetary value in order to get the "sure thing".

Nothing in the above paragraph suggests that an attorney should attempt to take a case to trial that has no chance of standing on it's own merits.

daveuz 11-19-2009 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTI (Post 2343132)
Once Again, FNC Producers Roll the Wrong Footage

Fox executives, embarrassed by the flap, are considering "serious disciplinary action" against someone in the control room, according to our friends at the Swamp.



In the control room? So, a producer in the control room can instantaneously punch in archive footage from 2008 for a November 2009 report? :rolleyes:

Early today while reporting on Sarah Palin's new book "Going Rogue" Fox put up a photo of the satirical book "Going Rouge" . They quickly apologized

Matt L 11-19-2009 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daveuz (Post 2343437)
Early today while reporting on Sarah Palin's new book "Going Rogue" Fox put up a photo of the satirical book "Going Rouge" . They quickly apologized

<conspiracy>They just did that to show that the other mistakes were really mistakes. They're just incompetent.</conspiracy>

daveuz 11-19-2009 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt L (Post 2343439)
<conspiracy>They just did that to show that the other mistakes were really mistakes. They're just incompetent.</conspiracy>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3ALxKE8buk They are setting up a "we are just morons" defense.

cmac2012 11-19-2009 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnjzjz (Post 2343239)
reading that reminded me of someone being lost in space

nothing bush did or did not do was reported on fox - being told by pundits it was not means --?????????/

believeing what i have read you have said makes me think

There are two theories to arguing with liberals. Neither one works

Thank God. At last I can read your words. Please use that font for your entire posts in future.

Brian Carlton 11-19-2009 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 2343457)
Please use that font for your entire posts in future.

That........is not happening.

cmac2012 11-19-2009 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 2343255)
Exactly. It's a sad commentary that this organization exists solely for the purpose of discrediting the administration and not for any accurate news presentation whatsoever.

You can see the results of such programming on certain individuals on this thread.

Conservatism as it exists in the bosom of the American right is essentially a cult, a clique. Mutually reinforced belief. Those outside the cult "just don't get it."

FOX plays to that.

daveuz 11-19-2009 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmac2012 (Post 2343463)
Conservatism as it exists in the bosom of the American right is essentially a cult, a clique. Mutually reinforced belief. Those outside the cult "just don't get it."

FOX plays to that.

They are the Republican "Onion".

okyoureabeast 11-19-2009 10:59 PM

Sigh



It was probably some poor intern sitting in front of ENPS who didn't have any footage so he pulled some footage from the archive server. It's an honest mistake and not anyone trying to make Palin look somehow more amazing then she already isn't.

I work in Television and we have a whole server bank dedicated to stock footage so we don't have to drive out and get 30 second video clips of cornell university everytime they have some stupid announcement.

Brandon_SLC 11-19-2009 11:53 PM

I remember learning this in college. FNC hadn't been invented yet. All networks do it.

It's more about visual interest than intentionally misleading the audience.

On ony televised news the image being shown has little or nothing to do with the actual story. When watching your local news, ask yourself what the live shot has to do with the story? Sometimes the live shots are so far from the story location that at the end when the announcer has to state his location, it's sometimes in a different county!

Honus 11-20-2009 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Brandon_SLC (Post 2343542)
I remember learning this in college. FNC hadn't been invented yet. All networks do it.

:confused: All networks show crowds from one day and state that they really occurred on another day? I don't think so.
Quote:

It's more about visual interest than intentionally misleading the audience.
:confused::confused:How is lying about a piece of video not intended to mislead?
Quote:

...Sometimes the live shots are so far from the story location that at the end when the announcer has to state his location, it's sometimes in a different county!
Right. Maybe that's one reason honest networks have their announcers state their locations.

These recent "mistakes" with the fake video are part of a pattern with Fox. If you spend some time with google or mediamatters, you can probably find the times when Fox reported on Republican politicians who had been caught doing something really bad. Fox puts the picture of the politician on the screen with a "D" after his or her name, instead of an "R". They've done it repeatedly. Each time they just say, "Oops."

Fox = Fraud.

MS Fowler 11-20-2009 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTI (Post 2343247)
There's no need for anyone else to "argue with liberals" . . . they do it well enough amongst themselves.

Unlike the mono-flavored "conservative" side of the coin, there's diversity of thought, aplenty, on the liberal side.

You a re kidding, right?
On principle, I agree, there SHOULD be a diversity of opinion among any group of true "liberals". In reality, they are a rather monolithis group. They cannot even allow someone who disagrres with the party line on abortion address the National Convention!
Look at the diversity liberals on health care--they are all for it. Yep; thats diversity for you. You can believe anything we allow.

MTI 11-20-2009 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 2343693)
You a re kidding, right?

When was the last time you recall that the House and Senate Democrats voted on a measure as a unanimous block, straight down party lines? It happens rarely, which is an indication that there is more of a spread of "far left to moderate right" members in that bigger tent.

How much diversity can be said to exist on the other side?

Brian Carlton 11-20-2009 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MTI (Post 2343811)
How much diversity can be said to exist on the other side?

None.

MTUpower 11-20-2009 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by MTI (Post 2343132)

Yeah, only FOX does this, no one else. lol

MTI 11-20-2009 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower (Post 2343829)
Yeah, only FOX does this, no one else. lol

I Believe You Might Have Missed This Post

:D

Oh, how many other major news outlets have problems correctly identifying the party affiliation of a shamed elected official doing a "perp walk?" ;)

cmac2012 11-20-2009 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honus (Post 2343591)
These recent "mistakes" with the fake video are part of a pattern with Fox. If you spend some time with google or mediamatters, you can probably find the times when Fox reported on Republican politicians who had been caught doing something really bad. Fox puts the picture of the politician on the screen with a "D" after his or her name, instead of an "R". They've done it repeatedly. Each time they just say, "Oops."

Fox = Fraud.

On the DVD Outfoxed, one reporter described his difficulty in being required to make it look like Reagan's birthday was a big deal at the Reagan library. To hear the fellow tell it, it wasn't. He relayed that info but was told to keep trying, to get something.

At one point a group of Jr. High kids showed up and he tried to spin that into excitement.

cmac2012 11-20-2009 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 2343693)
Look at the diversity liberals on health care--they are all for it. Yep; thats diversity for you. You can believe anything we allow.

They are? I don't think the idea of forcing people to purchase insurance industry products is a great one. A bare bones single payer coverage plan for lower income people would be better IMO.

MTI 11-20-2009 02:24 PM

Saying that "liberals" are all for healtcare reform ignores the polling that the majority of citizens are for reform, however, like kindergarten class visiting a Baskin-Robbins, you aren't going to get uniform agreement on the flavor.

What's the flavor that "all conservatives" want? Presently, the answer is none, and we don't want anyone else to have any either.

JollyRoger 11-20-2009 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brian Carlton (Post 2343319)
Yes, I'll surely "get a grip"...........and I'll be observing your posts more carefully in the future..........your rants belong elsewhere.

I think the entire "irrational hatred of Obama" is getting on everyone's nerves, even Huckabee is complaining about it:

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/11/huckabee-kneejerk-republican-attacks-on-obama-deplorable.html

JollyRoger 11-20-2009 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by okyoureabeast (Post 2343471)
Sigh



It was probably some poor intern sitting in front of ENPS who didn't have any footage so he pulled some footage from the archive server. It's an honest mistake and not anyone trying to make Palin look somehow more amazing then she already isn't.

I work in Television and we have a whole server bank dedicated to stock footage so we don't have to drive out and get 30 second video clips of cornell university everytime they have some stupid announcement.

But when you do that, it does not go the factual content of the news. It seems everyone of these Fox "mistakes" is directed right at doing that. Got a Republican screwing around in Argentina? Heck, we'll just put a "D" next to his name. Got a child-molesting "Family Values" Congressman? Do the same thing. Want to make Al Gore look like he's making a mint off of global warming? Just chop the sentences out where he says he's giving any money he makes to charity. Got a rally you spent millions promoting that didn't attract a lot of people? Heck, let's run Farrakhan's march and then breathlessly claim "almost a million" showed up when only 40,000 did. Fox has done all of those things. It goes on and on. The right wing can make all the excuses they can make up, but this duck quacks. This is an organized and increasingly obvious campaign to use Soviet-style disinformation techniques on the US populace. Period.

Brian Carlton 11-20-2009 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JollyRoger (Post 2344036)
This is an organized and increasingly obvious campaign to use Soviet-style disinformation techniques on the US populace. Period.

What scares me is that it's working.............just look at this thread.:eek:

Brian Carlton 11-20-2009 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MTI (Post 2343967)
What's the flavor that "all conservatives" want? Presently, the answer is none, and we don't want anyone else to have any either.

The flavor my dear sir is:

"I keep my own vanilla ice cream in my own freezer and I don't want anybody to have any of my ice cream and I certainly don't want to help them get any of their own ice cream at Baskin Robbins".

Got it?

MTI 11-20-2009 05:36 PM

Then the best place for your ice cream may be in Andorra, the Bahamas, Monaco, Nauru, Norfolk Island, or the United Arab Emirates, where they do not want any part of your private stash of Vanilla, whether it is with or without bean.


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