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Chinese car companies lack styling studios.....
And I thought the Japanese were bad when it came to copying cars. Check out what the Chinese are doing (right down to the badges )
http://indianautosblog.com/2008/07/chinese-are-the-best-xerox-machines-in-the-world
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The Koreans do it to, they have a car out that looks just like a BMW 5 from the back.
Look at it this way, these cars are for people who buy fake Rolex's. Its a $30k millionaires wet dream.
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Yup, that's how the ricers started in the 50s/60s; 20 years later they ate detroit's lunch. Japan and Korea need to looking over their shoulders at China and India.
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that fake rolls would go over real good in harlem.with a name like "honkey"
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I belive there many jokes about the Orientials copying everything they see?
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I never would have imagined anybody could build an uglier car than the new Rolls....
(I just checked for a smiley retching but sadly had to settle for an eek)
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I've been looking at minivans recently (spare the negativity please =) and I swear that Kia just took a Toyota Sienna, put it in a copy machine, labeled it a "Sedona" and threw them at the dealers.
As an engineer who tries to recognize IP ethics, this bothers me, but not enough to cease considering the Kia as our next vehicle. -John
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If they're just going to copy designs, couldn't they copy some that look good? Late 60's Mopar, late 60s-early 80s Mercedes, etc.
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I don't wanna be negative but KIA stands for:
K- Kill I - In A - Accident They are like a soda cans...
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the Chinese have always been considered the worlds best Xerox Machine
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Dooood, check out my Tomahawk!
http://indianautosblog.com/2008/08/weird-dodge-tomahawk-based-chinese-atv
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- Peter.
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fwiw- I'm not an IP engineer, I'm into Electrical/controls at a power plant. I think that all Engineers should be at least slightly concerned about IP protection because it fosters innovation- which is what makes engineers (as a whole) useful to society...Which is why the Sedona bothers me...a little.
I'm not buying what the anti-Kia crowd is selling - its OT, but this thread was dying anyway. 1) One person's story of how their car sucked (or how their dealer sucked) does not paint a picture of the entire company/dealer network. I can cite you numerous stories of Chrysler minivans that did not stand the test of time- but that's because there are so many of them out there. 2) They are in the American market for good now - its in their corporate interest to build a better car if their early models didnt hold up to the current reliability 'standard' (which isnt really reliable - I expect a machine to begin falling apart at 100k nowadays.) 3) the 06/07 models that I'm looking at still have the balance of a factory 6/50k b2b and 10y/100k powertrain warranty - who can compete here ? 4) Show me a better value for the money ($15k is all I have to spend on a minivan) - you must show that it will be less trouble-free and cheaper to own (sorry Odyssey transmissions...). A 5 spd auto and traction control are worth something to me so be sure to include this. 5) safety - The IIHS thinks they are ok - IIHS Sedona rating But I don't give anyone's crash ratings a lot of credit- I'll give them some, but not a lot: - if you know how you are going to crash, its relatively easy to design a car to minimize the damage. Unfortunately for us real humans, we don't always know how we are going to crash before we buy a vehicle. If I could buy a minivan that would guarantee that no one would ever hit the side door where my son is sitting- I'd give that some preference =). I've been through this in the motorcycle community many times - tell me how you will crash and I'll design a helmet/gear that will protect you. Otherwise its your driving/riding vs. the world. I'll concede a few things: a) they arent made in the USA - I don't like this, but $15k is too much for me to gamble on Chrysler's reliability record- I think that CR agrees. And I'm not buying new anyway so If I go CPO a % of my money is going to this country (taxes) anyway. b) Their first entries into this country did suck. I'm not gonna argue this. The Sedona was redesigned/re-xeroxed in 2006. -John
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