RNC Purity Testing Proposal - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

MTI · #1 12-01-2009, 08:48 PM

Denies Campaign Funding Support Unless They Pass

Among the principles on the test are support of limited government, market-based health care reform, legal immigration, gun rights and military-recommended troop surges in Iraq and Afghanistan. The list also requires opposing Obama's domestic policies, including his $787 billion stimulus bill, climate change legislation and his signature health care reform plan.

MS Fowler · #2 12-01-2009, 09:07 PM

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Denies Campaign Funding Support Unless They Pass

Among the principles on the test are support of limited government, market-based health care reform, legal immigration, gun rights and military-recommended troop surges in Iraq and Afghanistan. The list also requires opposing Obama's domestic policies, including his $787 billion stimulus bill, climate change legislation and his signature health care reform plan.

Its a Fox News story. According to many of you, that means it must be untrue.

#3 12-01-2009, 10:17 PM

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Its a Fox News story. According to many of you, that means it must be untrue.

I would like to see it reported elsewhere.

I do not want to see the RNC shoot themselves in the foot, two parties are better than one. I assume this is just political posturing by one wing of the party, they need moderate candidates to win in many congressional districts.

davidmash · #4 12-01-2009, 10:36 PM

Looks like some others have picked up on it.

MSNBC

Wash Ind.

Maybe it is true.

GTStinger · #5 12-01-2009, 10:57 PM

That limited government clause would exclude 90+% of congress I think.

retmil46 · #6 12-01-2009, 11:25 PM

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That limited government clause would exclude 90+% of congress I think.

ONLY 90%???????

MS Fowler · #7 12-02-2009, 06:19 AM

If the republicans have a future, they need to define themselves. Being " like the dems, but better, smarter, cheaper, etc" doesn't work.
Every political party needs a list of its core principles. The dems certainly do---anyone who does not support abortion anytime need not apply as the national leaders will not allow them to have any influence.
The repubs need a set of guiding principles. They used to have such a common set. Then, in order to gain support in some quarters, some republicans began to become very much like democrats. The public, in this last election, decided that if it wanted liberals, it wanted real liberals, and voted for the dems. Why vote for "liberal-lite" if you really want liberals?
The repubs NEED to develop a list. The content of that list will be very telling as to whether or not the republicans remain a major party, or if a third party emerges. Politically, a third party benefits the dems, at least for the short term, as non democrat voters will be split. However, if the potential third party generates a solid base, the repubs may go the way of the Whigs.

#8 12-02-2009, 09:28 AM

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If the republicans have a future, they need to define themselves. Being " like the dems, but better, smarter, cheaper, etc" doesn't work.
Every political party needs a list of its core principles. The dems certainly do---anyone who does not support abortion anytime need not apply as the national leaders will not allow them to have any influence.
The repubs need a set of guiding principles. They used to have such a common set. Then, in order to gain support in some quarters, some republicans began to become very much like democrats. The public, in this last election, decided that if it wanted liberals, it wanted real liberals, and voted for the dems. Why vote for "liberal-lite" if you really want liberals?
The repubs NEED to develop a list. The content of that list will be very telling as to whether or not the republicans remain a major party, or if a third party emerges. Politically, a third party benefits the dems, at least for the short term, as non democrat voters will be split. However, if the potential third party generates a solid base, the repubs may go the way of the Whigs.

Agreed, as some one said:

There are two political parties; one with bad ideas and one with no ideas.

MS Fowler · #9 12-02-2009, 09:47 AM

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Agreed, as some one said:

There are two political parties; one with bad ideas and one with no ideas.

Local Baltimore talkshow host says it this way, ( You could reverse the terms if you chose, and it would still be accurate.)

The republicans are the Stupid Party.
The democrats are the Evil Party.

Bi-Partisan means that the proposed legislation is both EVIL and STUPID.

PaulC · #10 12-02-2009, 10:45 AM

This has somewhat of a 1930's Germanic whiff to it. If the RNC is so concerned about its future, it should dump that plodding dud of a chairman.

MTI · #11 01-26-2010, 08:26 PM

Michael Steele & Co are here in Honolulu for the GOP Winter Meeting starting tomorrow at the Hilton Hawaiian Village. Yes, on the agenda is the Purity Test:

(1) Smaller government, smaller national debt, lower deficits and lower taxes by opposing bills like Obama's "stimulus" bill;
(2) Market-based health care reform and opposing Obama-style government run health care;
(3) Market-based energy reforms by opposing cap and trade legislation;
(4) Workers' right to secret ballot by opposing card check;
(5) Legal immigration and assimilation into American society by opposing amnesty for illegal immigrants;
(6) Victory in Iraq and Afghanistan by supporting military-recommended troop surges;
(7) Containment of Iran and North Korea, particularly effective action to eliminate their nuclear weapons threat;
(8) Retention of the Defense of Marriage Act;
(9) Protecting the lives of vulnerable persons by opposing health care rationing and denial of health care and government funding of abortion; and
(10) The right to keep and bear arms by opposing government restrictions on gun ownership.

tonkovich · #12 01-26-2010, 08:31 PM

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Michael Steele & Co are here in Honolulu for the GOP Winter Meeting starting tomorrow at the Hilton Hawaiian Village. Yes, on the agenda is the Purity Test:

(1) Smaller government, smaller national debt, lower deficits and lower taxes by opposing bills like Obama's "stimulus" bill;
(2) Market-based health care reform and opposing Obama-style government run health care;
(3) Market-based energy reforms by opposing cap and trade legislation;
(4) Workers' right to secret ballot by opposing card check;
(5) Legal immigration and assimilation into American society by opposing amnesty for illegal immigrants;
(6) Victory in Iraq and Afghanistan by supporting military-recommended troop surges;
(7) Containment of Iran and North Korea, particularly effective action to eliminate their nuclear weapons threat;
(8) Retention of the Defense of Marriage Act;
(9) Protecting the lives of vulnerable persons by opposing health care rationing and denial of health care and government funding of abortion; and
(10) The right to keep and bear arms by opposing government restrictions on gun ownership.

oddly, hawaii has some kind of health care system in which just about everyone is covered, mostly by employers? (though you can obviously tell us more)

daveuz · #13 01-26-2010, 08:43 PM

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oddly, hawaii has some kind of health care system in which just about everyone is covered, mostly by employers? (though you can obviously tell us more)

added to this irony... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massachusetts_health_care_reform

MTI · #14 01-26-2010, 08:45 PM

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oddly, hawaii has some kind of health care system in which just about everyone is covered, mostly by employers? (though you can obviously tell us more)

Think that's odd . . . consider the healtcare plan in MA.

Hawaii's healthcare system, recently lauded by Rush himself, is a combination of employer subsidized (some 100%, others have an employee contribution) benefit for full time employees and their dependents and a state medicare/medicaid system for welfare recipients. Briefly, it does increase business costs, however it has resulted in uncrowded ERs and significant advances in wellness and longevity in the state. Tradeoffs galore.

aklim · #15 01-26-2010, 10:26 PM

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Briefly, it does increase business costs, however it has resulted in uncrowded ERs and significant advances in wellness and longevity in the state. Tradeoffs galore.

But at what price do those tradeoffs come? You know when I don't believe someone? When they tell me all the good stuff but none of the bad. That is the hallmark of a used car salesman. Car gets excellent mileage, great shape, good engine, gently used, easy payments, etc, etc. A good thing you have going is that you don't have too many illegals sucking up resources, do you? The rest of the states have that issue because we are too stupid to turn away those that cannot afford it which leads them to the ER and it gets clogged up. Sorry, if you insist on throwing stuff down the toilet that wasn't meant to be there, you have to accept that it clogs up here and there.

As I always ask, who would manage the system if the govt runs it? The same group that gives us the national debt? Or the shady accounting practices of transferring money from one pool to another? Govt is acceptable as a watcher. As a player in the game, not so good.