I was attempting to balance the portrait of the Senator. Too often people skewer him and laugh at his charges. Skewer him for his tactics, if you will, but the evidence from the former USSR proves that he was more correct than in error.

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something like this ????????????? is that a terrorist or WHAT

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This is from "Conservapedia" . . . which one would assume would attempt to put the senator in the best possible light, but I could be in error about that.

Recent scholaship has established of 159 persons investigated between 1950 and 1952, there is substantial evidence nine had assisted Soviet espionage using evidence from Venona or other sources. Of the remainder, while not being directly complict in espionage, many were considered security risks.


9 out of 159 . . . do the math . . . when did barely 6% become greater than 50%?

One positive about Joe Mc Carthy is that he set a significant negative example for those who would be inclined to abuse their power now. I'm sure there are a few senators who would be inclined to use similar tactics today if they weren't concerned about ending up as a punch line. Whenever there is a boggy man, someone will try to use it as an excuse to increase their power.

You didn't hear it from me, but I understand from reliable sources that there are homosexuals, fornicators and . . . rascals of all sorts . . . at the highest levels of Congress . . .

I'm shocked, shocked I say...

Actually, I was thinking more in terms of the "patriot act" type abuse of power; terrorists (real and imagined) being the current boggy man.

For someone who in the past has cried “selectively quoting” sources:

In addition to some of the person involved in espionage identified in the Venona project listed above, there are other security and loyalty risks identified correctly by Senator McCarthy included in the following list:
• Robert Warren Barnett & Mrs. Robert Warren Barnett, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #48 and #49 respectively and both are on Lee list as #59;[42]
• Esther Brunauer, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #47 and Lee list #55;[43]
• Stephen Brunauer, U.S. Navy, chemist in the explosive research division;[44]
• Gertrude Cameron, Information and Editorial Specialist in the U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #55 and Lee list #65;[45][46]
• Nelson Chipchin, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's list #23;[47]
• Oliver Edmund Clubb, U.S. State Department;[48]
• John Paton Davies, U.S. State Department, Policy Planning Committee;[49]
• Gustavo Duran, U.S. State Department, assistant to the Assistant Secretary of State in charge of Latin American Affairs, and Chief of the Cultural Activities Section of the Department of Social Affairs of the United Nations;[50]
• Arpad Erdos, U.S. State Department;[51]
• Herbert Fierst, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's case #1 and Lee list #51;[52][53][54]
• John Tipton Fishburn, U.S. State Department; Lee list #106;[55]
• Theodore Geiger, U.S. State Department;[56]
• Stella Gordon, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #40 and Lee list #45[57]
• Stanley Graze, U.S. State Department intelligence; McCarthy's Case #8 and Lee list #8, brother of Gerald Graze, confirmed in KGB Archives;[58]
• Ruth Marcia Harrison, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #7 and Lee list #4;[59]
• Myron Victor Hunt, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #65 and Lee list #79;[60]
• Philip Jessup, U.S. State Department, Assistant Director for the Naval School of Military Government and Administration at Columbia University in New York, Delegate to the U.N. in a number of different capacities, Ambassador-at-large, and Chairman of the Institute of Pacific Relations Research Advisory Committee; McCarthy's Case #15;[61]
• Dorothy Kenyon, New York City Municipal Court Judge, U.S. State Department appointee as American Delegate to the United Nations Commission on the Status of Women;[62]
• Leon Hirsch Keyserling, President Harry Truman's Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers;[63]
• Mary Dublin Keyserling, U.S. Department of Commerce;[64]
• Esther Less Kopelewich, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #24;[65]
• Owen Lattimore, Board member of the communist-dominated Institute of Pacific Relations (I.P.R) and editor the I.P.R.’s journal Pacific Affairs;[66]
• Paul A. Lifantieff-Lee, U.S. Naval Department; McCarthy's Case #56 and Lee list #66;[67]
• Val R. Lorwin, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #54 and Lee list #64;[68]
• Daniel F. Margolies, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #41 and Lee list #46;[69] [70]
• Peveril Meigs, U.S. State Department; Department of the Army; McCarthy's Case #3 and Lee list #2;[71]
• Ella M. Montague, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #34 and Lee list #32;[72]
• Philleo Nash, Presidential Advisor, Franklin D. Roosevelt and Harry S. Truman administrations;[73][74][75]
• Olga V. Osnatch, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #81 and Lee list #78;[76]
• Edward Posniak, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case Number 77;[77]
• Philip Raine, U.S. State Department, Regional Specialist; McCarthy's Case #52 and Lee list #62;[78][79][80][81]
• Robert Ross, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #32 and Lee list #30;[82]
• Sylvia Schimmel, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #50 and Lee list #60;[83][84][85][86]
• Frederick Schumann, contracted by U.S. State Department as lecturer; Professor at Williams College; not on Lee list;[87]
• John S. Service, U.S. State Department;[88]
• Harlow Shapley, U.S. State Department appointee to UNESCO, Chairman of the National Council of Arts, Sciences, and Professions;[89]
• William T. Stone, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #46 and Lee list #54;[90]
• Frances M. Tuchser, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #6 and Lee list #6;[91]
• John Carter Vincent, U.S. State Department; McCarthy's Case #2 and Lee list #52;[92]
• David Zablodowsky, U.S. State Department & Director of the United Nations Publishing Division. McCarthy's Case #103;[93]


Was the claim that 159 people “investigated” where assisting in espionage or that they where a security risks?

Here is the Conservapedia Link

From that entry, here's a link to another study about McCarthy's list and the information gleaned from Venona: http://www.johnearlhaynes.org/page62.html

McCarthy's "Lists" seem to grow and shorten depending on when and whom he was addressing. Regardless, what is your reckoning and factoring of the percentage?

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LOL. Ann Coulter without her make-up.

WTF is a "security and loyalty risk" supposed to be, please?

McCarthy's implication was that the Democrats knew about such spies and allowed it without reservation, I believe.

the people actually found to be engaged in espionage were employees of the government, right? Not elected officials.

I don't understand why anybody ever thought that spies were a political issue.....you know, Republicans or Democrats.....as if Democrats were somehow encouraging the Commie spies.

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Time for a history lesson: Kennedy got us in, Johnson got us in BIGGER and Nixon got us out.

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Perhaps the reference was to the "Red Scare" that was being fostered in the 50's and 60's. Eisenhower was notably dubious about "a land war in Asia" in light of the experiences of the Korean Conflict.

As for Nixon getting us out . . . let's just say it wasn't for lack of trying to keep us in and expanding the battlefields.

Spin it any way you want. Fact is, the Vietnam war went from a minor skirmish to half a million troops under LBJ (D). It got smaller under Nixxon (R), and ended under Ford (R).

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