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Jorn 02-10-2010 08:54 PM

The "Inquisition" was not officially abolished up 'till the mid 1960's by the vatican.

veggihatetank 02-10-2010 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by kip Foss (Post 2402513)
The amazing thing to me is not that the catholic church, or any church for that matter, says these things but that billions of people believe in and find some sort of perverted comfort in this kind of crap. And worse yet when the purveyors of this crap get caught, put in jail, and shown up for what they are their poor, benighted followers keep supporting them. As Lenin said, "Religion is the opiate of the masses".

You keep looking to twits like Marx or Lenin and I'll look to men that accomplished something in their lives like Benjamin Franklin .
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Quote from Benjamin Franklin

"Here is my Creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That He ought to be worshipped.

kip Foss 02-10-2010 08:56 PM

I think you are right about its abolition but read this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition

kip Foss 02-10-2010 09:10 PM

The question is who's approach to this god is correct? If there is only one god as christians and moslems claim why are so many killing each other to prove who is right? Christ, look at the number of Protestant sects that abound just in the States. Hell, there are probably 20 sects of just the Baptists all arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. The slaughter of moslems by moslems, and there are only about 4 or 5 sects of islam, is second only to the genocide of the Inquisition. How in god's name is this kind of action in god's name? What here makes me want to join a society that not only tolerates these actions but promotes them? There has been more grief, misery, discrimination, hatred, killing and blood letting in the name of religion than of all other causes in this world.

Genuine tragedies in the world are not conflicts between right and wrong. They are conflicts between two rights.
~ Georg Hegel

veggihatetank 02-10-2010 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by kip Foss (Post 2403009)
The question is who's approach to this god is correct? If there is only one god as christians and moslems claim why are so many killing each other to prove who is right? Christ, look at the number of Protestant sects that abound just in the States. Hell, there are probably 20 sects of just the Baptists all arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. The slaughter of moslems by moslems, and there are only about 4 or 5 sects of islam, is second only to the genocide of the Inquisition. How in god's name is this kind of action in god's name? What here makes me want to join a society that not only tolerates these actions but promotes them? There has been more grief, misery, discrimination, hatred, killing and blood letting in the name of religion than of all other causes in this world.

Genuine tragedies in the world are not conflicts between right and wrong. They are conflicts between two rights.
~ Georg Hegel

In the same way If people decide to fight and kill each other over which Mercedes is the best model it doesn't mean anything at all about the cars or the designers but just that the people arguing over them are nuts.



And I already know the w126 is the best:D

kerry 02-10-2010 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jorn (Post 2403000)
The "Inquisition" was not officially abolished up 'till the mid 1960's by the vatican.

Wasn't it just a name change? It became the Office of the Congregation of the Faithful or something like that which Joseph Ratzinger headed up before he became Pope. He was Pope John Paul II's theological hatchet man.

kip Foss 02-10-2010 10:54 PM

The Mercedes as a car or the Mercedes as a company does not condone the killing of people because of their beliefs in the validity of a car, where as many organized religions will kill a person for simply doubting the validity of their beliefs.

The only validation one can offer for religion is that it makes one feel good. Don't try to justify or validate religion. Religion can not be proven as anything more than a compilation of historical facts and folk lore. Those that believe in polytheism, or Buddhism, or Confucianism, or Rastafarianism are no less likely to get to their heaven than are christians. But one thing I am sure of is that those that believe in religions other than christianity will get there with a lot less guilt than christians.

aklim 02-11-2010 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by veggihatetank (Post 2403001)
You keep looking to twits like Marx or Lenin and I'll look to men that accomplished something in their lives like Benjamin Franklin .
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Quote from Benjamin Franklin

"Here is my Creed. I believe in one God, the Creator of the Universe. That He governs it by His Providence. That He ought to be worshipped.

Why is Ben considered so great while Marx or Lennin so insignificant? You do remember that their ideology formed the USSR which is reasonably large.

veggihatetank 02-11-2010 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim (Post 2403268)
Why is Ben considered so great while Marx or Lennin so insignificant? You do remember that their ideology formed the USSR which is reasonably large.

One good reason Marx,Lenin and communism is looked down on is all the people that were massacred .

AlexCole 02-11-2010 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by veggihatetank (Post 2403297)
One good reason Marx,Lenin and communism is looked down on is all the people that were massacred .

And you don't think anyone has ever been killed in the name of Christianity????

kerry 02-11-2010 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by AlexCole (Post 2403583)
And you don't think anyone has ever been killed in the name of Christianity????

Jeez man, can't you tell the difference between the morally repugnant Stalin who simply murdered people and the noble Inquisitors who only killed people after they repented and confessed their faith assuring them a place in heaven?

kip Foss 02-11-2010 06:10 PM

Veggi,

You quoted Ben Franklin. Here is another on his quotes.

Thomas Jefferson;
I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology.

veggihatetank 02-11-2010 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by kip Foss (Post 2403652)
Veggi,

You quoted Ben Franklin. Here is another on his quotes.

Thomas Jefferson;
I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology.

So your telling me that Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson were the same person?Is that some kind of new conspiracy theory That all of the founding fathers were really just one person ?:P

kip Foss 02-11-2010 09:11 PM

I copied the wrong quote, but if you still want one from Mr. Franklin

Benjamin Franklin The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason.

If you need more; http://www.chrisbeach.co.uk/viewQuotes.php

veggihatetank 02-12-2010 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by kip Foss (Post 2403776)
I copied the wrong quote, but if you still want one from Mr. Franklin

Benjamin Franklin The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason.

If you need more; http://www.chrisbeach.co.uk/viewQuotes.php

Benjamin Franklin may have dabbled in deism but before his death he said this>


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Benjamin Franklin's Creed

A few weeks before his death at age 84, Benjamin Franklin summarized his religious beliefs, in terms with which I could readily associate myself:

You desire to know something of my religion. It is the first time I have been questioned upon it. But I cannot take your curiosity amiss, and shall endeavor in a few words to gratify it.

Here is my creed.

* I believe in one God, the creator of the universe.
* That he governs by his providence.
* That he ought to be worshipped.
* That the most acceptable service we render to him is doing good to his other children.
* That the soul of man is immortal, and will be treated with justice in another life respecting its conduct in this.

These I take to be the fundamental points in all sound religion, and I regard them as you do in whatever sect I meet with them.

As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of whom you particularly desire,

* I think his system of morals and his religion, as he left them to us, the best the world ever saw or is likely to see; but I apprehend it has received various corrupting changes,
* and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his divinity;
* though it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the truth with less trouble.
* I see no harm, however, in its being believed, if that belief has the good consequences, as probably it has, of making his doctrines more respected and more observed;
* especially as I do not perceive that the Supreme takes it amiss, by distinguishing the unbelievers in his government of the world with any peculiar marks of his displeasure.

Benj. Franklin, Letter to Ezra Stiles, 9 March 1790, in John Bigelow, ed., The Works of Benjamin Franklin, at 12:185-86 (New York: Putnam’s, 1904) (paragraphing edited and bullets added for readability).


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