He calls the bomb "amateurish". Well of course it is. Any bomb not made by the military could be called "amateurish".
Oaklaholma City Bomb was "amateurish". Was not very effective, was it?
How many of our troops are killed by IEDs? Doesn't "improvised" mean very much the same as "amateurish" in this context?

So maybe the Mayor's motive is to downplay the seriousness of the threat, and the danger? But I still hate it when government officials lie boldly to our faces like this.

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Only the american education system could have produced the person who built this "bomb." Maybe he should have stayed awake in chemistry class. Just one more crazy in NYC.

Riiight.

Where was that inbound guy who fried his nads on Christmas schooled? DeWitt Clinton HS in the Bronx?
IIRC, wasn't Richard Reid (sp?) on an inbound flight too?


It was only amateurish because it didn't detonate.

Perhaps he was referring to it as “amateurish” because it was a pie pan full of firecrackers set between two closed 5 gallon gas cans, with 3 closed propane bottles set behind the back seat.

I'd think that most Boy Scouts can do better than that.

The materials to make a bomb, yes.
An actual bomb, well… not quite.
Thus perhaps his referral to it as “amateurish”.

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Most of the IEDs that are killing folks are made from simple wireless detonators attached to a serious piece of surplus military munitions. Not firecrackers and gasoline cans.

I don't recall anyone referring to the OKC bomb as "Amateurish", btw.

You bet your butt the Mayor is going to downplay this. As he should. Do you think it would be a good idea for the Mayor of such a tourist destination to go on the news and announce: “Wow! That was a close one! Someone almost blew up a whole mess of innocent people right in the middle of one of our biggest attractions!” ??

I wouldn’t call it a lie. That “bomb” was obviously too “amateurish” to get all freaked out over its capabilities as executed.

The fact that someone would try this – sure, now that’s worth some concern. After all, he may do a better job next time if not stopped.
But keep in mind – this country is chock full of folks capable of doing a better job, with no chance in hell of stopping them all. It's a nasty world we live in. Full of nuts like this. And most of us know it.

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I'm sure if there was a mid-east connection, everyone would be jumping up & down on those damn towel heads and how they're sooo incompetent. But as of my watching the news just a few minutes ago, seems the suspect is a mid-40ish white guy....

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I’m thinking, if there was a mid-east connection, everyone would be jumping up & down trying to save lives and put fires out in precariously standing building remains.

Remember too - Colleen LaRose is a mid 40ish white lady.

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I'll agree with you on all these points. Operative phrase: " as executed"
Nasty world indeed. Full of nuts. Of all flavors.

As to the next time, the second time was a "charm" for the WTC.

You took the words right out of his mouth. Almost verbatim.

"We avoided what we could have been a very deadly event," Bloomberg said in a press conference earlier Sunday. "It certainly could have exploded and had a pretty big fire and a decent amount of explosive impact."

Was this a realistic and reasoned assessment by the Mayor? I am in no position to judge. Neither is anyone else not acquainted with the facts.

I guess the big thing to figure out is the intent of the bomber, how he himself expected the device to function. If he was intending on building a "fuel/air" bomb, then he might well have been more sophisticated than the mayor credits, since a fuel/air bomb is a device designed specifically for mass killings of human beings more than for property damage, and would indicate a US military background.

As most militaria buffs would know, a combination of gasoline and propane, if properly aerosoled, and then detonated after the areosole had properly been sprayed into the target area, would be a devastating IED in crowded conditions such as Times Square, with a potential for killing thousands of people due to the confined spaces in which the flames would quickly remove mass amounts of oxygen. The US Air Force uses bombs of this type, it is an excellent weapon against massed enemy troops, many of whom would expire due to lack of oxygen as much as they would be by the blast. But I have yet to hear of any areosoling device among the bomb equipment - it would be something like a modified crop dusting nozzle powered by the engine of the SUV, sucking propane and gasoline into a mixing tank where it would be pressurized, and then sprayed at an upward angle over the heads of the crowd, and then detonated at the nozzle by the fireworks. But none of this has currently been mentioned -, at this point it sounds like a bunch of crap that a naive person would think would make a good bomb from watching TV shows. The fertilizer in the gun safe sounds especially naive, for one, it was the wrong type for bomb making, and two, if he intended for a gun safe to become shrapnel, well, he's an idiot. But the basic ingredients for a fuel/air bomb are all there. If that was his intent, he is indeed a dangerous man capable of creative thinking in the area of mass murder.

I thought it was pretty funny, clearly he isn't the sharpest knife in the box. Looks like he was trying for a fuel air bomb but he had no way to vaporize the mixture. AFAIK it seems like he hoped the fire works would create some cool Hollywood explosions.


Its not a big deal, it didn't go bang and probably wouldn't have. Might have put on a half way decent fireworks show though.

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Ah, we do have this thing called "google", which returned about five pages of results from all kinds of newspapers and TV stations on this "cyanide" thing:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=+East+River+subway+tunnel++Cyanide&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=

Returning various articles that said this:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/04/30/nypd-suicidal-man-causes-subway-terror-scare/

It was some suicidal nut trying to kill himself. Get a grip, dude, you are listening to way too much Glenn Beck.

I am at a loss as to what he would do with a jar full of cynanide pills if he was a terrorist, throw them at cars ?

I'm not saying that the mayor should have over-reacted, either.
I just HOPE that behind the scenes, there is a lot of quiet police work going on. That the "amateurish" comments are meant for public consumption, but "serious" should be the behind-the-scenes approach.

Then again, its purpose may NOT have been to explode, but as a means of measuring the police' response. In that assessment, it might have been fully successful.

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I still hate it when people on the internet make conclusions based upon facts that they don't have against people that they don't know with regard to motives that are uncertain.

But, I really shouldn't be surprised because certain people do it incessantly.

I'm thinking that if we took an x-ray of that last post, it would look something like this.



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