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Old 11-17-2010, 03:10 PM
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marching united, happily towards defeat

Good grief, didn't the slaughter at the polls teach them anything?

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/11/17/house.leadership/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1

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Old 11-17-2010, 03:22 PM
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Makes perfect sense to me! She has been the most effective Speaker in history. She is the ONLY Speaker EVER, to take the National Debt from a mere 8 Trillion to 13 Trillion in four short years. Now THAT is effectiveness!
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Old 11-17-2010, 03:24 PM
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It's the right thing to do. Time will tell how it works out politically.
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Old 11-17-2010, 03:45 PM
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Yes, it's the right thing to re elect the speaker that on 3/9/2010 said "we have to pass the bill before we can see what's in it." Now that's some brilliant rhetoric.
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Old 11-17-2010, 04:03 PM
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The only people negatively affected by it are those on the far, far right, who have this weird obsession with her.
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Old 11-17-2010, 04:12 PM
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Yes, it's the right thing to re elect the speaker that on 3/9/2010 said "we have to pass the bill before we can see what's in it." Now that's some brilliant rhetoric.
She never said that.

Here's what she said: http://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/pressreleases?id=1576

Her comments were reasonable and correct.
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Old 11-17-2010, 04:58 PM
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She never said that.

Here's what she said: http://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/pressreleases?id=1576

Her comments were reasonable and correct.
“But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hV-05TLiiLU

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Yes, it's the right thing to re elect the speaker that on 3/9/2010 said "we have to pass the bill before we can see what's in it." Now that's some brilliant rhetoric.
Thanks! The difference is like night and that time of day equidistant between after the sun sets and before the sun rises!

Must be somewhat tiresome to have to break out the “not exactly hair splitter” every time someone paraphrases the absurd notion that the Madame Speaker spoke of, and have to fall back on a comparison to the exact quote as a defense.

The absurd notions that “we” the American people can only find out what “is in it” only after a bill is passed, and that the “fog of controversy” will magically dissipate after such a bill is passed is patently ridiculous.

Velma Hart feels the same pain!

“Quite frankly, I’m exhausted. Exhausted of defending you, defending your administration, defending the man for change I voted for…”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6smXinWzos
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Old 11-17-2010, 06:12 PM
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She never said that.

Here's what she said: http://www.speaker.gov/newsroom/pressreleases?id=1576

Her comments were reasonable and correct.
With video proof you are completely incorrect a 17 yo would say "you got owned", and they'd be spot on.

I think it's great she's still the leader and at the same time greatly disappointed. It's great because many many independents will now not vote for Democrats as they drift further and further left, and disappointed they continue to cling to the very unpopular extreme views that alienate reasonable people. It's certainly a boon for the Tea Party and the Republicans.
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Old 11-17-2010, 07:08 PM
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With video proof you are completely incorrect a 17 yo would say "you got owned", and they'd be spot on.
What are you talking about? That video backs me up completely.
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I think it's great she's still the leader and at the same time greatly disappointed. It's great because many many independents will now not vote for Democrats as they drift further and further left, and disappointed they continue to cling to the very unpopular extreme views that alienate reasonable people. It's certainly a boon for the Tea Party and the Republicans.
Maybe.
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Old 11-17-2010, 07:18 PM
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“But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy."
Which is not what Larry Bible claimed that Pelosi said.
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...Must be somewhat tiresome to have to break out the “not exactly hair splitter” every time someone paraphrases the absurd notion that the Madame Speaker spoke of, and have to fall back on a comparison to the exact quote as a defense.

The absurd notions that “we” the American people can only find out what “is in it” only after a bill is passed, and that the “fog of controversy” will magically dissipate after such a bill is passed is patently ridiculous...
What's tiresome is people misquoting people they disagree with so that they can try to make an argument to support their preconceived ideas.

Reasonable people can disagree with what Pelosi said, but her statement was neither absurd nor ridiculous.

She made the claim that the bill had a bunch of beneficial stuff in it (debatable), that there was a bunch of misinformation out there about it (not debatable), and that the only way most people were going to really find out what was in the bill was for it to become law. Once that happened, all the claims about death panels and such would be shown for what they are - baloney. That argument is reasonable.

What are you saying? Do you contend that the average American had a good handle on what was in that bill? Or that the average American has a good handle on what is in any large bill? I doubt that you would make such an absurd, ridiculous claim.
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Old 11-17-2010, 07:36 PM
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Mark Twain said the difference in one word can mean the difference between Lightning and the Lightning Bug.

The Right saw a chance to twist Nancy's words and, now that they have been caught doing it, cannot own up to the fact and must continue to try and shout people down.

By the way... I thought jobs were important to the Republicans. If this is so then why did they blow off the jobs meeting with Obama with some lame excuse that they were busy with other things?

I guess they are too busy getting the new reps set up on their gov provided health care that the Republicans don't want anyone else to have.

And how come the Republicans have not fixed all the countries problems yet?

Slackers.
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Old 11-17-2010, 08:36 PM
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Which is not what Larry Bible claimed that Pelosi said.What's tiresome is people misquoting people they disagree with so that they can try to make an argument to support their preconceived ideas.

Reasonable people can disagree with what Pelosi said, but her statement was neither absurd nor ridiculous.

She made the claim that the bill had a bunch of beneficial stuff in it (debatable), that there was a bunch of misinformation out there about it (not debatable), and that the only way most people were going to really find out what was in the bill was for it to become law. Once that happened, all the claims about death panels and such would be shown for what they are - baloney. That argument is reasonable.

What are you saying? Do you contend that the average American had a good handle on what was in that bill? Or that the average American has a good handle on what is in any large bill? I doubt that you would make such an absurd, ridiculous claim.
Your fondness for and preconceived righteousness of the Speaker and her agenda has been expressed numerous times so no one will expect you to do anything but defend her or her statements against charges of absurdness or ridiculousness. Nor will anyone expect that your preconceived viewpoint could possibly interpret her words and their context as anything but reasonable!

The "average American" has spoken in virtually every election since November 2008 that they have a good enough handle on what is in that bill, to decide soundly and unequivocally that they would by the casting of their votes to dis-empower and reject Obama, his fellow travelers and their agenda.

It has been many months since ObamaCare was signed into law, following both your and Madame Speaker's logic, Americans have either had enough time to now know what is in the bill and rejected it, or have not yet had enough time to know what is in the bill and rejected it based only on what they do know by now.

That many moths have passed since ObamaCare was signed into law, following both your and Madame Speaker's logic, the fog of controversy either remains as dense as ever and Americans nonetheless sense enough, and
have at each opportunity rejected it or the fog of controversy has been lifted and ObamaCare has been fully revealed and Americans at each opportunity have rejected it.

It is interesting that the of death panels routinely savaged as "baloney" by the left have more recently been resurrected as a deficit reduction tool by none other than Nobel Prize in Economics winner Paul Krugman! How strange that the “crazy” seeds of the death panels of Medicare and Medicaid bureaucrats from the fertile imagination of Sarah Palin have now found root in the ripe manure of cool calculating liberal elitist intellectualism!

What the left with virtual unanimity once called “crazy talk” lies, distortions, dangerous and subversive, racist, bigoted, hate when spoken by Sarah Palin; now little more than a year later is sobering, unavoidable, future reality when spoken by Obama lickspittle and rump swab Paul Krugman!
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Old 11-17-2010, 08:40 PM
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Mark Twain said the difference in one word can mean the difference between Lightning and the Lightning Bug.

The Right saw a chance to twist Nancy's words and, now that they have been caught doing it, cannot own up to the fact and must continue to try and shout people down.

By the way... I thought jobs were important to the Republicans. If this is so then why did they blow off the jobs meeting with Obama with some lame excuse that they were busy with other things?

I guess they are too busy getting the new reps set up on their gov provided health care that the Republicans don't want anyone else to have.

And how come the Republicans have not fixed all the countries problems yet?

Slackers.
Isn't the reason that the government provides their healthcare is because the government is their employer, rather than fact that they merely exist in the US?
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Old 11-17-2010, 08:52 PM
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What are you talking about?
HELLO???

This video is word for word what was claimed by Larry.
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Which is not what Larry Bible claimed that Pelosi said.
WHOOPS! "we have to pass the bill before we can see what's in it."
Sorry- she said : "we have to pass the bill so you can see what's in it"

Two words off and your claim is
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That video backs me up completely.
Did you and Rich C exchange brains?


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Old 11-17-2010, 08:56 PM
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HELLO???

This video is word for word what was claimed by Larry.

WHOOPS! "we have to pass the bill before we can see what's in it."
Sorry- she said : "we have to pass the bill so you can see what's in it"

Two words off and your claim is
Did you and Rich C exchange brains?
Not very nice.

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