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Pope says pedophilia considered normal in the 1970's
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/popersquos-child-porn-normal-claim-sparks-outrage-among-victims-15035449.html
Are we to assume that he is speaking the truth about his social circles in the 1970's? Not normal to use birth control but normal to have sex with children????
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Wow, who is this guy?
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I found a longer quote from the address:
"We are well aware of the particular gravity of this sin committed by priests and of our corresponding responsibility. But neither can we remain silent regarding the context of these times in which these events have come to light. There is a market in child pornography that seems in some way to be considered more and more normal by society. The psychological destruction of children, in which human persons are reduced to articles of merchandise, is a terrifying sign of the times. From Bishops of developing countries I hear again and again how sexual tourism threatens an entire generation and damages its freedom and its human dignity. The Book of Revelation includes among the great sins of Babylon – the symbol of the world’s great irreligious cities – the fact that it trades with bodies and souls and treats them as commodities (cf. Rev 18:13). In this context, the problem of drugs also rears its head, and with increasing force extends its octopus tentacles around the entire world – an eloquent expression of the tyranny of mammon which perverts mankind. No pleasure is ever enough, and the excess of deceiving intoxication becomes a violence that tears whole regions apart – and all this in the name of a fatal misunderstanding offreedom which actually undermines man’s freedom and ultimately destroys it. In order to resist these forces, we must turn our attention to their ideological foundations. In the 1970s, paedophilia was theorized as something fully in conformity with man and even with children. This, however, was part of a fundamental perversion of the concept of ethos. It was maintained – even within the realm of Catholic theology – that there is no such thing as evil in itself or good in itself. There is only a “better than” and a “worse than”. Nothing is good or bad in itself. Everything depends on the circumstances and on the end in view. Anything can be good or also bad, depending upon purposes and circumstances. Morality is replaced by a calculus of consequences, and in the process it ceases to exist. The effects of such theories are evident today. Against them, Pope John Paul II, in his 1993 Encyclical Letter Veritatis Splendor, indicated with prophetic force in the great rational tradition of Christian ethos the essential and permanent foundations of moral action. Today, attention must be focussed anew on this text as a path in the formation of conscience. It is our responsibility to make these criteria audible and intelligible once more for people today as paths of true humanity, in the context of our paramount concern for mankind." Anyone know any situational ethicists justifying sexual relationships with children? Seems very odd that he blames the church's pedophilia problem on a liberal sexual morality. If anything, since the Catholic Church as one of the most conservative sexual morality on the planet, the reverse would seem to be true.
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I'm now having an easier time envisioning His Holiness wearing wraparound sunglasses and a trench coat while awaiting the school bell to ring. What a foolish statement.
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I thought that the church believed in absolute right and wrong evil and good? I was under the impression that these absolutes did not fluctuate with the will of the people at the time. What did I miss?
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I'm sure a 30 yo man marrying an 8 yo girl was normal at some point in time too. Pretty much the same way they viewed a teacher boinking the student in ancient Greece. I am not totally sure about the context in which it was in but it seems to me, His Holiness is trying to mitigate the "Catholic Shuffle".
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A very sadenning article.
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lowered expectations, lowered disappointment. If the pope had wanted to clean house, he wouldn't have done the catholic shuffle and pushed Law into the Vatican. Pretty much the same thing Law did. He'd have fired Law for lying. I mean, if writing false references and pushing the problem to another area isn't lying, what is? He just wanted to sweep the problem under the rug, move the offender away. Cardinals are like princes of the church. If the CEO allows the VP to do silly things, what can we say about the CEO? Fast Forward to today. All the new CEO or Pope does is talk and try to make excuses. He could, if he felt like it, have the Cardinal defrocked or whatever it is they do, right? So, what conclusion can I draw? Besides the fact that they don't always do as they say?
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YGBSM
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just a cult leader doing feeble damage control. his techniques are out of debate club 101.
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Now Kerry a week a go you would have got your hand slapped for a thread like this !! Best you stay away from electrical storms from now on !!
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Weren't all Greek Students and Educators male?
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I would say mostly so but they did think it was ok. Today, not so good.
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You missed that in matters of faith, the ideas of logic, consistency, and reason are often times the first things that fly out the window.
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