What do you think?

http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/top-10/top-10-most-significant-vehicles-at-the-2011-detroit-auto-show.html

Just the S class diesel

and

the mistake known as the VW Tauraus.. I mean Ford Passat... oh.. It's a VW Passat...

Marketing hype.

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at least it shows the passat with the manual trans as an option,unlike the american cars that shove the auto down our throats.

All equallly ugly and uninteresting.

- Peter.

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2002 Kia Rio. Worst crap on four wheels
1981 240D 4spd stick. 389000 miles.
1984 123 200
1979 116 280S
1972 Cadillac Sedan DeVille
1971 108 280S

The Chevy Sonic turbo looks like fun, but I'm sure in real life it will be ridiculously small for a big sized person.

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and probably over priced

I looks nice, but not for $90k.

Not to change directions in this thread but.....has anyone seen the VW Full sized pickup? Not available here but pretty prevelant in Central America, mostly diesel. I could like that. Think they were called an Amarok (sic). Looked over a few of them last weekend.

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Could be. The Renault Alliance was the MT 1980 car of the year. How did that work out? When is the last time you saw one?

Looks like a huge step up from the scheissbox Aveo. I'm guessing that tuners will quickly find ways to dial up the turbo boost.

I found these interior specs on some third-party websites:

Sonic:

Headroom: front: 38.7 (w/o sunroof)

front: 37.6 (w/ sunroof)

rear: 37.8 (w/o sunroof)

rear: 37.8 (w/ sunroof)
Hiproom: front: 51.4 rear: 51.6; legroom: front: 41.8 rear: 34.6 ; shoulder room: front: 53.4 rear: 53 front: 53.4 / 1358 rear: 53 / 1347 front: 53.4 / 1358




2011 MB C300

1. Internal dimensions: front headroom (inches): 37.1, rear headroom (inches): 36.9, front hip room (inches): 52.3, rear hip room (inches): 54.9, front leg room (inches): 41.7, rear leg room (inches): 33.4, front shoulder room (inches): 54.7, rear shoulder room (inches): 55.1 and interior volume (cu ft): 88.2

While the current Passat is certainly not flaw-free, at least it has some euro character and an interior built out of good materials. To pull $7,500 out of the base price tells me that they've decontented the crap out of this thing from a technical spec and materials perspective. Bleh.

The sonic turbo only has a 1.4 liter engine? So much for the whole entire point of turbocharging the engine when it gets almost the same numbers as the NA 1.8. Again, I can think of many cars through the 1990s that put up better numbers and most likely get equivalent economy

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Current stable:
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- 2007 Saturn sky redline
- 2004 Explorer...under surgery.

Past: 135i, GTI, 300E, 300SD, 300SD, Stealth

Think of the turbo as an on-demand displacement enhancer. If you can stay out of the turbo (e.g., steady-state highway cruising) you can reap the fuel economy benefit of the smaller displacement.

Sometimes, depends on how the management is set up and turbo specs. They only mated it to a 6 speed manual though, so it doesn't really make sense to have it as the "performance" version while the sensible version has more options

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Current stable:
- 2004 Mazda RALLYWANKEL
- 2007 Saturn sky redline
- 2004 Explorer...under surgery.

Past: 135i, GTI, 300E, 300SD, 300SD, Stealth