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pj67coll · #1 02-04-2011, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dynalow

True on both counts.

A direct causal relationship to the poor quality of education blacks receive in inner-city schools. That is the biggest problem we face. It's got to be fixed.

And in my humble opinion, it's not a problem of gross dollar spending on education. It's the quality of the entire education "program".

Correct up to a point. However the problem does not start in the schools and so it cannot be fixed there.

- Peter.

MTI · #2 02-04-2011, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by pj67coll

Correct up to a point. However the problem does not start in the schools and so it cannot be fixed there.

- Peter.

"It's an economic issue when the unemployment rate for folks who've never gone to college is almost double what it is for those who have," he said. "It's an economic issue when nearly eight in 10 new jobs will require workforce training or a higher education by the end of this decade. It's an economic issue when we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that countries that out-educate us today will out-compete us tomorrow."
President Obama, August 9, 2010

450slcguy · #3 02-04-2011, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI

"It's an economic issue when the unemployment rate for folks who've never gone to college is almost double what it is for those who have," he said. "It's an economic issue when nearly eight in 10 new jobs will require workforce training or a higher education by the end of this decade. It's an economic issue when we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that countries that out-educate us today will out-compete us tomorrow."
President Obama, August 9, 2010

Many of these "college educated jobs" are nothing more than clerical jobs that use to go to non-college educated workers. Statiscally, the majority of college graduates have no more skills/intelligence than a good high school graduate.

pj67coll · #4 02-04-2011, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by 450slcguy

Many of these "college educated jobs" are nothing more than clerical jobs that use to go to non-college educated workers. Statiscally, the majority of college graduates have no more skills/intelligence than a good high school graduate.

I agree up to a point. Problem is the "good high school graduatge" is a rare thing, given the abysmally low standard required for graduation in the US.

- Peter.

aklim · #5 02-06-2011, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 450slcguy

Many of these "college educated jobs" are nothing more than clerical jobs that use to go to non-college educated workers. Statiscally, the majority of college graduates have no more skills/intelligence than a good high school graduate.

Be that as it may, the bar has been raised. My grandfather was an accountant for a medium sized company. He only had finished his 3rd year in HS. In the early to mid 60s, my mother was the first female agriculture graduate and my father was one of the few graduates as a Veterinarian. Because of his scholarship, he had to get a job with the govt. Trick is, he would be free of his bond if they failed to find him employment within a year. He did everything to sabotage himself. When asked "Why should we hire you?", his response was "I don't care of you do. I have to interview. IF you don't, I am free of my bond so I'm not concerned." They hired him. Today, he would be tossed out of the room with that.

My adopted father was a HS grad. He started out as a rough carpenter. He even rose to the point of managing huge projects like a huge shopping mall. Today, he couldn't get a job except working with the tools. Why? He had all kinds of endorsements and experience. No college degree.

What does this mean? Times change. The bar is raised. Once upon a time, as a HS graduate, you were a small king. Today, with a college education, you are what the HS grad was 50 years ago.

Skid Row Joe · #6 02-06-2011, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Be that as it may, the bar has been raised. My grandfather was an accountant for a medium sized company. He only had finished his 3rd year in HS. In the early to mid 60s, my mother was the first female agriculture graduate and my father was one of the few graduates as a Veterinarian. Because of his scholarship, he had to get a job with the govt. Trick is, he would be free of his bond if they failed to find him employment within a year. He did everything to sabotage himself. When asked "Why should we hire you?", his response was "I don't care of you do. I have to interview. IF you don't, I am free of my bond so I'm not concerned." They hired him. Today, he would be tossed out of the room with that.

My adopted father was a HS grad. He started out as a rough carpenter. He even rose to the point of managing huge projects like a huge shopping mall. Today, he couldn't get a job except working with the tools. Why? He had all kinds of endorsements and experience. No college degree.

What does this mean? Times change. The bar is raised. Once upon a time, as a HS graduate, you were a small king. Today, with a college education, you are what the HS grad was 50 years ago.

I would have to believe that your adopted Father probably could go to work easily in construction management IF he were younger AND if he had the continuity of employment. Not knowing his age, I'm guessing he's in his late 60s?

Employers do not want somebody with his experience at that advanced age IF they have been out-of-work for years. I guarantee you if he were 40 years old, or so he could find a high-paying job in the industry he has so much experience in. I'm guessing what is holding him back is his age and or his non-continuity in his profession? Am I right?

Putting people in boxes works much of the time, but not always. If a person can provide viability and relevance to the workplace, they may get a chance to show it.

aklim · #7 02-06-2011, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe

I would say that your adopted Father probably could go to wok easily in construction management IF he were younger. Not knowing his age, I'm guessing he's in his late 60s? Employers do not want somebody with his experience at that advanced age. I guarantee you if he were 40 years old, or so he could find a high-paying job in the industry he has so much experience in. I'm guessing what is holding him back is his age. Am I right?

Putting people in boxes works much of the time, but not always. If a person can provide viability and relevance to the workplace, they may get a chance to show it.

He was in his mid to late 50s. He had a heart condition and had to stop. When he went back a year later, things had changed. Most of the major contractors wanted a college degree and the ones he had worked with were now out of business or under new management that did want it.

Skid Row Joe · #8 02-06-2011, 01:03 PM

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He was in his mid to late 50s. He had a heart condition and had to stop. When he went back a year later, things had changed. Most of the major contractors wanted a college degree and the ones he had worked with were now out of business or under new management that did want it.

Life isn't fair - to be certain. Health issues can and will hit everyone at some age.

If I were to apply for work in my field as an employee, I would be laughed out of the building because of my advanced experience and age level versus what the 20 and 30 something's pay scale there is now. Nevermind I can do the job of most any two/three people of that age group in my industry - but when you've been out of the 'employee' workplace as a self-employed person as I have for decades, you become irrelevant to their needs, versus the penny-anty workplace of the low-paid drones in the industry.

Frankly, I have no interest of ever going to work for someone else ever again - way too confining financially AND otherwise for my free spirit!

pj67coll · #9 02-04-2011, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MTI

"It's an economic issue when the unemployment rate for folks who've never gone to college is almost double what it is for those who have," he said. "It's an economic issue when nearly eight in 10 new jobs will require workforce training or a higher education by the end of this decade. It's an economic issue when we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that countries that out-educate us today will out-compete us tomorrow."
President Obama, August 9, 2010

The problem in the schools is not exclusively a school problem. Schools are a product of their society and as such the society is the problem. Thus you will not simply solve a problem of piss poor education by pretending you can fiddle with schools and it will fix itself.

- Peter.