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Old 02-15-2011, 02:42 PM
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An economy where people work

I swear about 30 years ago I asked my best friend to shoot me if I ever started sounding like a geezer. So here I am sounding like a geezer.

I long for a working economy. What I mean is an economy where people actually work to transform raw materials into saleable goods. An economy where craftsmenship is valued over slick marketing.

Why am I ranting? Today I went to Subway. In addition to sandwiches they also sell bags of chips for $1.00. A buck? Seriously? All anyone ever did was arrange these things on a shelf and you wanna charge me four times what I can get it for in the grocery store?

Well that's it. My rant. I don't mind paying you a coupla bucks for some actual work like cutting the potatoes and frying them. But it's insulting to me to think that you can make me buy something by dressing it up and putting it up in the window.

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Old 02-15-2011, 02:53 PM
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Hmm, I see a cardigan sweater with hard candies in the pockets in your near future . . .

How much would it cost to run a commercial deep fryer? Not just the acquistion cost, but factor in all the applicable op costs, like the gas, building and health code compliance, increased liability coverage if applicable, training costs, produce vendor contracts . . . that bag of chips that are pre-marked 99 cents start to look reasonable . . . then multiply that by the number of stores that you have across the country . . .
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Old 02-15-2011, 03:01 PM
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I'd gladly pay for someone to fry the chips and package it. What I won't pay for is for someone to put it on a shelf. I don't care how pretty that shelf looks.
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But it's insulting to me to think that you can make me buy something by dressing it up and putting it up in the window.
And yet, he is never adverse to buying that purty li'l thing at the table a drink!
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I swear about 30 years ago I asked my best friend to shoot me if I ever started sounding like a geezer. So here I am sounding like a geezer.

I long for a working economy. What I mean is an economy where people actually work to transform raw materials into saleable goods. An economy where craftsmenship is valued over slick marketing.
You got a lot of longing to do dude, those days are long gone apparently.

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I think it can reasonably be argued that the value of craftsmanship went down the toilet with the introduction of scientific management. The loss of that value cannot be separated from the class conflicts of capitalism.
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Old 02-15-2011, 03:19 PM
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Do yourself a favor, don't go near a vending machine
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Old 02-15-2011, 03:22 PM
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Or hotel room mini-bar. Last week I had a late night $1.50 can of Pepsi.
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Old 02-15-2011, 03:52 PM
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Why am I ranting? Today I went to Subway. In addition to sandwiches they also sell bags of chips for $1.00. A buck? Seriously? All anyone ever did was arrange these things on a shelf and you wanna charge me four times what I can get it for in the grocery store?

Well that's it. My rant. I don't mind paying you a coupla bucks for some actual work like cutting the potatoes and frying them. But it's insulting to me to think that you can make me buy something by dressing it up and putting it up in the window.
You forgot that I have to buy them (money put out and uncertain when I will get it back), store them (space = $$$), have someone put them there (time = $$$), lose it thru theft or expiration date (I have seen smaller shops toss things because they don't sell by expiration date). Also, at the grocery store, they have some of these things as "loss leaders" to bring you in. They can sell you a lot of other stuff but as Subway, I cannot.
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I understand all of the above.

I don't understand why that adds value to a bag of chips.
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Old 02-15-2011, 04:29 PM
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I understand all of the above.

I don't understand why that adds value to a bag of chips.
It doesn't add any value to the chips except convenience. However, more cost means I either stop selling it or pass the cost to the customer.
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...An economy where craftsmenship is valued over slick marketing...
Amen to that. Craftsmanship and originality are undervalued, but I don't see how that relates to the high price of Subway's chips.
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Why am I ranting? Today I went to Subway. In addition to sandwiches they also sell bags of chips for $1.00. A buck? Seriously? All anyone ever did was arrange these things on a shelf and you wanna charge me four times what I can get it for in the grocery store?...
That's not all they did. They put together the whole system that makes the chips convenient for you to buy along with your sandwich. Who's to say that 75 cents is an unreasonable amount to charge for all of that?

On the whole, I'd say Subway gives good value compared to its competitors. In fact, one of the things they do well is provide quality without the frills.
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Old 02-15-2011, 04:34 PM
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I understand all of the above.

I don't understand why that adds value to a bag of chips.
It's sitting right there on the shelf, ready for you to grab it and go. You can always run down to the local market or convenience store and pick up a bigger bag for less. I don't mind paying for the convenience although I usually forego the chips.

Now fountain drinks? There's a racket!
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If you do not think there is value in the $1 chips, then do not buy them.
If enough other people share yout view, Subway will either reduce the price, or eliminate the chips altogether.

If enough people appreciate the value, they are free to spend the $1, and you are free to visit the grocery store and buy enough chips to last you a week. But you have to plan ahead. Convenience has its cost.
Me? I fix a ham and swiss sandwhich at home while I eat my breakfast, and carry it to work, along with whatever else I want to eat. All at a far less cost tha Subway. And I do allow others to make their own choices.
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Old 02-15-2011, 05:23 PM
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All at a far less cost tha Subway.
Ever wonder about that . . . could one replicate a $5 footlong "at a far less cost tha Subway?"

Starting with an empty kitchen and cupboard . . . tally up the costs of purchasing ingredients, prepping (Subway bakes their bread in-store) and serving. I'm not sure that, given the economy of scale, that you'd be saving very much, particularly if waste through spoilage is included.

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