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Left, Right, Center
There's this strong tendency to reduce a situation or an analysis to a sequence of binary choices. I'm often uncomfortable with this as there may be times that neither 'X' not "anti-X' are the choices I want.
But that said I offer a few comments on the Left/Right dichotomy. By definition let's speak of the center (being in the middle) and then left/right. Now distributions do not have to be symmetrical but in most cases, when dealing with human populations, etc we tend to view things as typical Gaussian curve with symmetry, 50% to the left of center and 50% to the right. So here are a few questions - If I type in "left-wing" in Google (make sure you use the quotes) I get 16.6 million response. If I type in "right-wing" I get 30.3 million responses. If I change the search term to "far left" I get 16.4 million responses and "far right" I get 24.1 million responses. So there is somewhere between 50% to 100% more postings using the terms for the extremes of the right then there are for the extremes of the left. Is this because the population is not symmetric as I initially proposed? Is it because the main-stream media has a bias? Is it due to different reasons than I have stated? Either way I am not trying to argue that one position is superior to another. I am saying that groups (or individuals) are more likely to be labelled as a member of the extreme right than they are as a member of the extreme left. Last edited by sjh; 06-04-2011 at 05:07 PM. |
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Hard to label shades of grey.
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If it were difficult to label then the labeling would be symmetrical about the mean. That is, the errors would be equal on both sides of the mean.
How do we explain the asymmetry? |
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In a "gaussian curve" most of the events are in the middle, and yes they're symmetrical but the majority are in the middle. Your observations are with semantics from a google search vice a mathematical model with criteria for location on a political spectrum. You are assuming that all hits are concerned with political posts when no limits are imposed on your search terms. There are right and left wings on aircraft, athletes may play on the right or left wings. Birds have them. But in the context of web search, your general assumption is probably true, and the majority of hits from google are probably politically based due to the proliferation of right- vs left- blogs/rants/etc. However, the terms are based on vernacular. If I say "extreme liberal" does that sound okay? Or just "left-wing liberal pinko commie?" What about "on the right side of the issue" compared to the "far-right side of the issue"? You could postulate that the use of the word "extreme" is more frequently attached to right-wing issues or stating that someone with conservative views is more likely to be labeled "extreme" and you may be correct, but I don't think using a hit-count from google is a valid data set to make that case. However, I believe the animal known as "mainstream media" doesn't really exist. It's a strawman put up by people who want to disagree with what they read, see or hear. There's the media, mainstream or otherwise. The primary agenda of media outlets is market share. The idea of the objective "fourth estate" is pretty much dead, if that's what you were looking for. |
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I think the expression goes "there are lies, bloody lies & then there are statistics" ~ Best you go read "How to lie with statistics" !
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If his search criteria are exactly as he posted then the terms outside of his definition are irrelevant to the question he asked.
The "lies, damn lies..." quote (I think it was from Benjamin Disraeli), is a clever means of dismissal, not an explanation. |
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& hence the second part of my post !!
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The first part of your statement belies the second.
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Thats not your call to make !!
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I do wish there was a better way to succinctly characterize one's politics. I sometimes answer political polls, and while many of the questions are easy for me (Do you approve or disapprove of the job so-and-so is doing? What is your registered party affiliation?), OTOH the one about whether I'm a conservative or a liberal and to what extent is tough for me. I always say conservative, sometimes moderate and sometimes I say strongly, but this isn't a full description of my political opinions. For example, my positions on economic and monetary policy, immigration, environmental policy, and 2nd Amendment rights puts me on the far right. But I also think gay people should have the same rights, responsibilities and privileges as straight people, and that marijuana should be legalized and taxed. And then my views on education and energy could best be described as mixed.
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It just means whatever you typed in occurs in that combination that many times. Google doesn't care about your expectations.
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Hey, I thought this was going to be about that radio show . . .
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Don't you think it's time to retire these terms (left, right, liberal, conservative) as they have become meaningless?
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Gray is my favorite color.
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Labels are too convenient. Imagine a sentence without nouns. Even if they're often misleading or fail to capture the whole, no labels is even less intelligible.
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