Social Security disability on verge of insolvency - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Chris Bell · #1 08-22-2011, 03:39 PM

Seems aging baby boomers who find themselves unemployed are applying for Social Security disability benefits overloading the system.

http://www.mercurynews.com/politics-government/ci_18733094

The Clk Man · #2 08-22-2011, 03:55 PM

My wife is truly disabled. In my town I see a lot of people getting disability and working cash jobs on the side. I hope they get caught.

Hatterasguy · #3 08-22-2011, 05:02 PM

Money is tight they are just going to have to pay a bit less.

Its quite simple, just take how much comes in and divide it among those that claim, that's what they get.

TwitchKitty · #4 08-22-2011, 05:42 PM

If more money was going into the system it would be fine. If all of the jobs hadn't been moved to China, etc, by the people in power there would be plenty of money going into the system by employed people here in the US and all would be well. It's not the baby boomers who are the problem, it is the globalists. Tax the globalists like the rest of us and many, many problems go away. Tax avoidance, tax evasion, transfer pricing, money laundering, it is your problem.

This is another area where you have been screwed and taught to believe it was for your benefit. The propaganda machine rules your minds.

aklim · #5 08-22-2011, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TwitchKitty

If more money was going into the system it would be fine. If all of the jobs hadn't been moved to China, etc, by the people in power there would be plenty of money going into the system by employed people here in the US and all would be well. It's not the baby boomers who are the problem, it is the globalists. Tax the globalists like the rest of us and many, many problems go away. Tax avoidance, tax evasion, transfer pricing, money laundering, it is your problem.

This is another area where you have been screwed and taught to believe it was for your benefit. The propaganda machine rules your minds.

And if more people were buying what we were selling, life is good. We can try roll back the 50s and 60s but that ain't happenin. Adapt to the new paradigm or die, the choice is yours as is the consequence of your actions. Jobs will always move to cheap labor. So, you can beat your head on the wall and maybe, just maybe it will break before your head or you can adapt. If I insist on doing things the same way as my father did and his father before him did and so on in spite of me seeing that there are plans to build a Wal*Mart opposite my store and they would be competing with me, I can either change my model and do something they cannot or die. Remember, the rest of the world does NOT owe you a living so you can manufacture all you want but they might not buy.

TwitchKitty · #6 08-22-2011, 11:02 PM

You can hold your paradigms for just a minute there Bucko.

I am sure you realize that taxes are not paid by many wealthy people here in the US.

What do you know about offshore banking? Repatriotization of funds? Disinformation masks transfer pricing but maybe you have the straight scoop, do you? Do you know that part of the national debt was paid to move jobs overseas?

I don't need the MSNBC slant on this, thanks anyway. Even if we were talking that trash, it would be the 1980s.

Do you really think it impossible for employment to support this country? Have you ever heard of the wars that were fought between workers and corporations to make possible what you are talking about in your grandfather's era?

aklim · #7 08-22-2011, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by TwitchKitty

You can hold your paradigms for just a minute there Bucko.

I am sure you realize that taxes are not paid by many wealthy people here in the US.

What do you know about offshore banking? Repatriotization of funds? Disinformation masks transfer pricing but maybe you have the straight scoop, do you? Do you know that part of the national debt was paid to move jobs overseas?

I don't need the MSNBC slant on this, thanks anyway. Even if we were talking that trash, it would be the 1980s.

Do you really think it impossible for employment to support this country? Have you ever heard of the wars that were fought between workers and corporations to make possible what you are talking about in your grandfather's era?

Obsessed as you are with MSNBC, I'm afraid I can't honestly said I have viewed them for a long time.

No, it isn't impossible for employment to support the country. It is impossible in this current situation to depend on "business as usual". When your job ends, you find a new job. When your way of doing business ends, you find a new way.

compress ignite · #8 08-23-2011, 05:10 AM

The Beneficiaries of (Global) Obfuscation Conspiracy are Near Invisible to most.

"G.E. last year PAID no Corporate taxes, but got a refund"
[What the He**'s going on there?]

"Hard Times" is a Razor's Edge game for Industrialists...
Too Hard and you get The Arab Spring,Wisconsin,London...
Too Light and Your Profits aren't Outrageous enough.

Does the Impression that a certain group of people would turn the U.S. into
a land populated ONLY by the Uber,Uber Wealthy
(Who contribute Mightily to Which causes?)
and the Illegal Honduran,Guatemalan,Mexican workers necessary to Farm,do
Yardwork and Laundry sound about right?

Wake Up and Smell The Coffee !

With out a Long Term Plan
(Other than the current Rape, Pillage and Plunder left over from BushCheneyOilMoney)
for RESTORATION, The U.S.A. is becoming (more rapidly than can be witnessed) a Fifth World He**Hole.

If there are No More Public Schools
(What use do Rich White "Conservatives" have for public education? All their kids go to private schools.)
If there are No More Assistance Programs (Social Security,Medicare/Medicaid)
(AGAIN,What use do RW"C" s have for any of that? they're RICH)
Etc.,Etc.,Etc.
Society as we know it IS COLLAPSING!

No One will be able to AFFORD to live "From Sea to Shining Sea" EXCEPT the
Filthy Rich, White, "Conservatives".

From the Viewpoint of RW"C"s:
"Problem Solved"
[No Aircraft Carrier Banner Needed]

All the "Mixed Breed" Democratic "Problems" are Starved Out or Move.

It's a lot like watching the English,during the Potato Famines in Ireland,
Deliberately shipping out ALL the Foodstuffs left,in hopes of Finally
"Solving" the Fenian Problem with Starvation.

Daman858 · #9 08-23-2011, 07:29 AM

Having gone through the SS disability process with my wife, it is a painful process and they just don't give it to you. My wife had stage 4 ovarian cancer and was turned down the first go round. We had to get copies of all her medical records spanning three years of treatment. You must be disabled for 5 months before you can even think about collecting. She got one check, then passed.

TwitchKitty · #10 08-23-2011, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Obsessed as you are with MSNBC, I'm afraid I can't honestly said I have viewed them for a long time.

No, it isn't impossible for employment to support the country. It is impossible in this current situation to depend on "business as usual". When your job ends, you find a new job. When your way of doing business ends, you find a new way.

Bold faced above is against the rules and you should get some neg points for it. It is also unfounded. I couldn't care any less about MSNBC and used it as an arbitrary example. Let it drop here.

My whole point is that criminals are the problem. Not the ones in jail but the ones with influence. Wise up.

Your neighbors might be scum but this is america, if you like you can hate them if you keep it to yourself. However, they are not a the big problem.

So, what about the financial crimes? Any thoughts?

Have you seen The Smartest Guys in the Room? Be sure and watch the extra features on the DVD, maybe a couple times. Look at a timeline of Enron from before the elections to after 9 repeat 0ne. A well thought out plan can and has stolen enough money to support SS, etc for many years. It only takes a short while. If the same effort went into making this country productive...

Also, SS, etc wouldn't cost nearly so much if those with influence were not using it as a tool to make themselves wealthy.

aklim · #11 08-23-2011, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TwitchKitty

My whole point is that criminals are the problem. Not the ones in jail but the ones with influence. Wise up.

Your neighbors might be scum but this is america, if you like you can hate them if you keep it to yourself. However, they are not a the big problem.

So, what about the financial crimes? Any thoughts?

Have you seen The Smartest Guys in the Room? Be sure and watch the extra features on the DVD, maybe a couple times. Look at a timeline of Enron from before the elections to after 9 repeat 0ne. A well thought out plan can and has stolen enough money to support SS, etc for many years. It only takes a short while. If the same effort went into making this country productive...

Also, SS, etc wouldn't cost nearly so much if those with influence were not using it as a tool to make themselves wealthy.

And somehow, I thought that it was innocent until proven guilty. Sorry, those who have been charged AND found guilty are criminals, those that find a way around the law LEGALLY are not.

They might not be a big problem but collectively?

If they are found guilty, punish them. If not, oh well, that is life.

You are mixing up everything. The company exists to make it's shareholders money. They are not there to help the govt with it's "cradle to grave" missions or stated mission.

SS wouldn't cost anything if the people were made to be responsible for themselves and their future. At this point, it is little more than a slush fund to transfer money around to fund projects to make the elected more popular. As I have said often, you don't give the drug addict the keys to the pharmacy.

sjh · #12 08-23-2011, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Daman858

Having gone through the SS disability process with my wife, it is a painful process and they just don't give it to you. My wife had stage 4 ovarian cancer and was turned down the first go round. We had to get copies of all her medical records spanning three years of treatment. You must be disabled for 5 months before you can even think about collecting. She got one check, then passed.

I'm very sorry for your loss Dave.

The Clk Man · #13 08-23-2011, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by sjh

I'm very sorry for your loss Dave.

Me to Dave.

TwitchKitty · #14 08-23-2011, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

And somehow, I thought that it was innocent until proven guilty. Sorry, those who have been charged AND found guilty are criminals, those that find a way around the law LEGALLY are not.

They might not be a big problem but collectively?

If they are found guilty, punish them. If not, oh well, that is life.

You are mixing up everything. The company exists to make it's shareholders money. They are not there to help the govt with it's "cradle to grave" missions or stated mission.

SS wouldn't cost anything if the people were made to be responsible for themselves and their future. At this point, it is little more than a slush fund to transfer money around to fund projects to make the elected more popular. As I have said often, you don't give the drug addict the keys to the pharmacy.

So let's say that both paths are legal and a corporation has to make a choice between turning a larger profit and killing all its stockholders or making a smaller profit and saving the stockholders lives. Which of the two choices is right?

Raiding pension funds and selling the copper wire off of the power poles is the same thing even if one of criminals hired lobbyists to write a loophole first.

The real world is not so black and white and people who change laws so they can steal are criminals. Selective prosecution is another issue.

There was a social contract at one time, it is all but gone.

Watch that movie, then tell me what you think. Read some about the financial crimes I mentioned. You are too smart of a guy to go around thinking like that last post.

Are you really saying Enron was OK?

aklim · #15 08-23-2011, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by TwitchKitty

There was a social contract at one time, it is all but gone.

Are you really saying Enron was OK?

I don't know if there ever was a social contract but You are right about that part. It is all gone if it ever existed. We have no contract with the corporation and I don't expect the corporation to have any contract with me. It is fair. I accept that the company I work for will cut me in a heartbeat should it find a cheaper alternative and I expect that they know I will quit should I get a better offer. THAT is our contract. You owe me nothing and I owe you nothing. I don't expect you to keep me in your employ till the day the company closes down even when things are tough and you best not expect me to stay around when I have a better offer. Fair and simple. We are out for ourselves. To take it further, if the town butcher is cheaper (all things considered), I'll stick with him. When there is a better alternative, I'm gone. If I can't afford the meat, I don't expect him to lower the prices either. It goes both ways.

AFAIK, they cooked the books and did illegal things so, no. If they did it unethically but legally, I will give them a pass and say we need to tighten standards so it doesn't happen again.