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chilcutt · #16 08-29-2011, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Honus

I doubt that. I don't know why they hate us, but our religious freedom seems like an unlikely reason to me. I think it has more to do with what they perceive to be our greedy and violent imperialism and what they perceive to be our intolerance of their religion.I thought that was more about religious intolerance, but I don't know.

The first part of your post is correct.

Also in play are the current foriegn policys the U.S. engages in the M.E.

And then there is the issue with Isreal.

raymr · #17 08-29-2011, 03:22 PM

The ME had issues way before the US was even a figment of anyone's imagination. To say that we are now the ire of their existence ignores a whole lot of history. And it's definitely about intolerance, but you are mixing up who the intolerant ones are. Hint: They are the ones who cut people's heads off for being infidels.

boneheaddoctor · #18 08-29-2011, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by raymr

That's crap. They hate us for our religious freedoms. Why do you think most of Europe is a target as well???

They hate anyone thats not a Muslim, or has any inclination towards free will. Because free will is anti-islamic and forbiden by Sharia.

MTUpower · #19 08-29-2011, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by chilcutt

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The term 'Islamophobia' was first introduced as a concept in a 1991 Runnymeade Trust Report and defined as "unfounded hostility towards Muslims, and therefore fear or dislike of all Muslims. ...

Please define "unfounded" and then we can move forward to your proving -by you demonize utilizing- the blanket statement of "fear and dislike of ALL Muslims"

MTUpower · #20 08-29-2011, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

They hate anyone thats not a Muslim, or has any inclination towards free will. Because free will is anti-islamic and forbiden by Sharia.

"They" assumes you mean all- ie every- Muslim. I reject that as truth. If "they" means the more radical Muslims, then yes- it is true for the most part. It's a thin line but a very important one.

chilcutt · #21 08-29-2011, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

Please define "unfounded" and then we can move forward to your proving -by you demonize utilizing- the blanket statement of "fear and dislike of ALL Muslims"

If you are an Islamophobe-you are not thinking rationally. Something is wrong with the way youir brain is wired.

Same principle apply's to Radical Islamist's who 'Hate the West'. Both groups have been brainwashed/fallen culpable to media-propaganda.

The gist of things is that certain people in the U.S. government had to create an enemy (where there wasnt one), in order to fire up the war machine,and....invade/occupy places in the M.E. ...to 'protect their interest's'...Oil.

MTUpower · #22 08-29-2011, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by chilcutt

If you are an Islamophobe-you are not thinking rationally. Something is wrong with the way youir brain is wired.

Same principle apply's to Radical Islamist's who 'Hate the West'. Both groups have been brainwashed/fallen culpable to media-propaganda.

The gist of things is that certain people in the U.S. government had to create an enemy (where there wasnt one), in order to fire up the war machine,and....invade/occupy places in the M.E. ...to 'protect their interest's'...Oil.

That's your definition of "unfounded'?

chilcutt · #23 08-29-2011, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by MTUpower

That's your definition of "unfounded'?

I see no point in engageing that question.

Re-phrase your position according to my response please.

Post's #17 & 18, are indicative of responses that will be overlooked by me, simply because they are emotional, out of context, and purely argumentative/inflammatory.

TwitchKitty · #24 08-29-2011, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by raymr

That's crap. They hate us for our religious freedoms. Why do you think most of Europe is a target as well???

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Originally Posted by raymr

The ME had issues way before the US was even a figment of anyone's imagination. To say that we are now the ire of their existence ignores a whole lot of history. And it's definitely about intolerance, but you are mixing up who the intolerant ones are. Hint: They are the ones who cut people's heads off for being infidels.

Right and wrong, good and evil, black and white are difficult to apply to such a complicated situation. Everybody is very wrong and everbody is a little bit right.

Most people in the middle east could not care less what americans do with their time unless it affects them. They don't care who we pray for or who we vote for, watch on TV, or any of that. They do care when we go over there and mess up their world. Oil money has been doing that increasingly over that last few decades.

Our embassies are like branch offices of oil companies, staffed with people on oil company payrolls. Guess whose best interests are served? Not ours and not theirs. Oil money corrupts the governments here and there. Put yourself in their place, would you like the US?

Now it is not just the oil companies, construction companies and mining companies. Globalization is called Americanization by most of the world. Globalization seeks to change everything about a culture and turn its people into mindless consumers of disposable crap.

raymr · #25 08-29-2011, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by chilcutt

I see no point in engageing that question.

Re-phrase your position according to my response please.

Post's #17 & 18, are indicative of responses that will be overlooked by me, simply because they are emotional, out of context, and purely argumentative/inflammatory.

It explains why we are where we are. The 12 guys in those airplanes, and to a lesser extent their predecessors who perpetrated similar crimes here and abroad, turned back the clock on Muslim progress in the US by at least 50 years. It takes a long time to build up trust again to where it should be.

raymr · #26 08-29-2011, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TwitchKitty

Right and wrong, good and evil, black and white are difficult to apply to such a complicated situation. Everybody is very wrong and everbody is a little bit right.

Most people in the middle east could not care less what americans do with their time unless it affects them. They don't care who we pray for or who we vote for, watch on TV, or any of that. They do care when we go over there and mess up their world. Oil money has been doing that increasingly over that last few decades.

Our embassies are like branch offices of oil companies, staffed with people on oil company payrolls. Guess whose best interests are served? Not ours and not theirs. Oil money corrupts the governments here and there. Put yourself in their place, would you like the US?

Now it is not just the oil companies, construction companies and mining companies. Globalization is called Americanization by most of the world. Globalization seeks to change everything about a culture and turn its people into mindless consumers of disposable crap.

Fine, so let them fight their battles on THEIR turf, and not via random attacks on innocent civilians living elsewhere. I fully support their right to protect and preserve what is theirs.

Botnst · #27 08-29-2011, 09:53 PM

ChemTrails, Tea Party, Halliburton, Bush did it.

chilcutt · #28 08-29-2011, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by raymr

It explains why we are where we are. The 12 guys in those airplanes, and to a lesser extent their predecessors who perpetrated similar crimes here and abroad, turned back the clock on Muslim progress in the US by at least 50 years. It takes a long time to build up trust again to where it should be.

Somewhat True. But it seems that you are content to sweep U.S. involvement/meddeling under the rug.

It takes two hands to clap.

Way before those 12 guys formulated their plot, the people in the ME could of cared less about what the U.S. did/was doing.

Put yourself in their shoes (I know its difficult to get your head around that concept)..'How would you feel, if you looked out one morning and saw a battleship from another country docked in one of your ports'?

'How would you feel, if soldiers from another country were running around in the states'?

You can pretty much stifle the '9/11' episode, it is a very weak arguing point...to my knowledge, there hasnt been 1 casulty on American soil suffered at the hands of Fundementalist Extremeists from the ME, since 9/11.

TwitchKitty · #29 08-29-2011, 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by raymr

Fine, so let them fight their battles on THEIR turf, and not via random attacks on innocent civilians living elsewhere. I fully support their right to protect and preserve what is theirs.

Once again, put yourself in their place. They would say the same thing about the US.

raymr · #30 08-30-2011, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MagnumPI

19 actually. Or are you in the camp that thinks 7 are still alive and had no involvement whatsoever?
And 11 were from Saudi, one of like 3 countries in the region not invaded and (aggressively) occupied by the US regime. Not to mention, they were Al Qaeda, guess who their handlers are? The same 3 letters the topic is about. It's admitted that's where they come from. Oh, but "not anymore"... Right. I got a bridge for sale, check the parts section.

One more reason to "hate Americans". Muslim = every brown person in Asia and they're all part of one hive mind. The explosion radius gets wider and wider to cover the entire spectrum of brown skin colors to appease the warmongering bloodlust.

Yes there were 19. All here on easily obtained visas.
Everything else you put forth is highly subjective, though I'm sure your views are shared by many.