Originally Posted by chilcutt

Somewhat True. But it seems that you are content to sweep U.S. involvement/meddeling under the rug.

It takes two hands to clap.

Way before those 12 guys formulated their plot, the people in the ME could of cared less about what the U.S. did/was doing.

Put yourself in their shoes (I know its difficult to get your head around that concept)..'How would you feel, if you looked out one morning and saw a battleship from another country docked in one of your ports'?

'How would you feel, if soldiers from another country were running around in the states'?

You can pretty much stifle the '9/11' episode, it is a very weak arguing point...to my knowledge, there hasnt been 1 casulty on American soil suffered at the hands of Fundementalist Extremeists from the ME, since 9/11.

Originally Posted by MTUpower

"They" assumes you mean all- ie every- Muslim. I reject that as truth. If "they" means the more radical Muslims, then yes- it is true for the most part. It's a thin line but a very important one.

Originally Posted by chilcutt

I see no point in engageing that question.

Re-phrase your position according to my response please.

Post's #17 & 18, are indicative of responses that will be overlooked by me, simply because they are emotional, out of context, and purely argumentative/inflammatory.

Originally Posted by chilcutt

Untrue.

Islamaphobia is no longer questioned-even by our elected representitives.
there would appear to be an Islamophobia industry engaged in what Max Blumen calls a 'Great Islamophobic Crusade'

In regards to the production of 'Relentless', 'Obsession: Radical Islam's war on the West', and 'The Third Jihad', Tam has published this article and Richard Silverstein has discussed the Anti-Muslim propaganda, and the money trail between groups like the 'Christian Coaltion - 700 Club etc...

The Islamophobic research and Documentation Project at the Center for Race and Gender has the best working definition.

The term 'Islamophobia' was first introduced as a concept in a 1991 Runnymeade Trust Report and defined as "unfounded hostility towards Muslims, and therefore fear or dislike of all Muslims.

The term was coined in the context of Muslims in the U.K in particular and Europe in general, and formulated based upon the more common 'Xenophobia' framework.

The report pointed to prevailing attitudes that incorperate the following beliefs;

* Islam is monolithic and cannot adapt to new realitys.
* Islam does not share common values with other faiths.
* Islam as a religion is inferior to the West. It is archiac, barbaric and irrational.
* Islam is a religion of violence and supports terrorism.
* Islam is a violent political ideoligy.

Islamophobia is a contrived fear or prejudice formulated by the existing Eurocentric and Orientalist global power structure.
It is directed at a percieved or real Muslim threat though the maintenance and existing disparities in economic, political, social and cultural relations, while rationalising the necessity to deploy violence as a tool to achieve 'civilizational rehab' of the target communitys (Muslim or otherwise).

Islamophobia reintroduces and reafirms a global racial structure through which resource distribution disparities are maintained and extended.

*This was 1991.

Your comment= Fail.

Originally Posted by TwitchKitty

Our embassies are like branch offices of oil companies, staffed with people on oil company payrolls. Guess whose best interests are served? Not ours and not theirs. Oil money corrupts the governments here and there. Put yourself in their place, would you like the US?

Now it is not just the oil companies, construction companies and mining companies. Globalization is called Americanization by most of the world. Globalization seeks to change everything about a culture and turn its people into mindless consumers of disposable crap.

Originally Posted by chilcutt

Somewhat True. But it seems that you are content to sweep U.S. involvement/meddeling under the rug.

It takes two hands to clap.

Way before those 12 guys formulated their plot, the people in the ME could of cared less about what the U.S. did/was doing.

Put yourself in their shoes (I know its difficult to get your head around that concept)..'How would you feel, if you looked out one morning and saw a battleship from another country docked in one of your ports'?

'How would you feel, if soldiers from another country were running around in the states'?

You can pretty much stifle the '9/11' episode, it is a very weak arguing point...to my knowledge, there hasnt been 1 casulty on American soil suffered at the hands of Fundementalist Extremeists from the ME, since 9/11.

Originally Posted by Botnst

Facts are sooooo over-rated.

Originally Posted by TwitchKitty

That's ok. You see what you want to see. It is a big world out there if you ever want to venture outside your comfort zone.

Common sense should tell you that people don't hate us over lofty ideals, that's BS. People want to eat, sleep, be comfortable with their world. Let them have that and they don't give a rat's rear bumper about you. Take that away from them and you might die as a result. Common sense or CNN, your choice.

I don't type things into google for people anymore. If you don't have that much initiative...

Originally Posted by TwitchKitty

You can run some searches, this is nothing new, it is all out there if you want to see it. Or, you can...

Close your eyes, tap your heels together three times and keep saying opinion over and over, maybe all your favorite fairy tales will come true. Good luck.

Originally Posted by TwitchKitty

You want to pretend this is a court when it suits you. But really you don't want to accept another point of view and it was obvious in the way that you phrased your post. Facts change constantly but human nature changes little. Denial is a well documented behavior and I am not here to try to rehabilitate anyone.

Think about it. The US embassy in Saudi Arabia serves what purpose?