Intelligence, thank you. This has nothing to do with opinion. And you well know that I will not produce payroll information and it is just plain silly to ask for it.

So play this one out. The americans fought the english on american soil. The iraqis fought the english on iraqi soil. Who's right and who's wrong? Good and bad?

Who decides, you?

The answer is .... of course, you decide.

Each of us individually decide what we believe is the good in this or that. Same with evil. Usually folks in a common culture agree but not always. So that's why codify our beliefs of good and evil into laws so that we can impose the community's will on the individual.

I recommend a reading of Antigone for a more detailed exploration of the problem.

It is your belief that an embassies purpose is to gather intelligence?You stated it as fact, and now you say it's silly to produce the information which will confirm your statement.
The americans fought the english on american soil? When? During the war of independence? Before the war was over the soil was english- after it was over it became american, so no the soil was english. Uh ... so? What does that have to do with your not backing up any statements and then issuing statements like the one above regarding soil?

I must say in a debate or even a simple conversation you are lacking in basic conversational logic skills.

War of 1812 comes to mind....

The comment spooks work though Embassies isn't inaccurate, its well known and quite common. Of course EVERYONE in an Embassy isn't a spook or even most, but a few certainly.

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"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche

The question of belief is key to this discussion. You are challenged with something that you don't want to believe and it pisses you off, first. It is a lot like the stages of grief or an addiction program, first comes denial.

So, any facts on which to base your beliefs? Prove to me that embassies work like a scene in a polyanna play. After all, Hillary Clinton couldn't possibly be in charge of a corrupt agency, could she?

You are not asking me for anything to change your minds, you are only asking me for something you can attack so as to relieve your conflicts. I'm not playing your game. That pisses you off too.

Ever wonder why fighter planes are not sold to other countries by the contractors who built them? How is the government involved as a sales agency for the contractors?

I am not challenged by lunatic delusions, nor do I want to read it. The lunatic himself maybe interesting. Or not.

You made statements which can be proven or dis-proven- it's not a matter of belief if embassy employees are on oil company payrolls- either they are or they are not. I simply asked you to prove it and instead you call it "silly". It's your statement and yours to prove, not mine. Your contention that I am "pissed off" is attempt to get the topic off track. I will deny any far fetched statement until I see either an explanation which makes sense or some type of proof, both of which you refuse to provide. How do you know these things which you contend are facts? If you cannot back them up, then how is anyone to believe the same as you?
What beliefs? I am asking you to prove your odd ball statements, and they just keep coming with no back up. You're digging a bigger hole with every post.
I don't have "minds"- but if you would provide some type of substantiation to your claims I would consider them and perhaps my views would change. I changes views based on things I can verify among other criteria. Where you get the idea that I have conflicts or am pissed off is anybodies guess. I do not assume to be able to know your emotional state, but somehow you think you know mine. Again it's an attempt to muddy the water and get the subject off track usually employed by the losing side as in this case.
Before we move onto other subjects the first ones need to be resolved. When you prove or tell us why you think embassy employees are on oil company payrolls, and why you think embassies purpose is to gather intelligence we'll start a different conversation. If you continue to refuse to back up your statements which you contend are facts then I'll take the road nearly every person would take: chalk up your statements as the views of a person who cannot back them up and ignore them. I disagree with many, but Honus for example, frequently lists the reason why he thinks as he does. Even Rich C posts links which back up his views. I may not agree with some of the views they present, but they understand a person needs to substantiate them.

Facts backing Intelligence operatives operating in embassies isn't hard to find....our guys get tossed out of other countries on a regular basis....we toss their guys out on a regular basis. Usually in a tit for tat beef over something.

I actually knew a guy....(knew the girl he was dating and her family well) that got thrown out of this country....Diplomatic immunity non-withstanding because of passing off counterfiet currency. Not naming the country....but its been in the news a lot recently.

But if you are expecting public acknoledgement from Officials.....its not going to happen, and for good reason. There is a lot that goes on out of sight that is cloaked behind national security.....just because its not officially acknowledged doesn't mean its not going on.

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"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." - Friedrich Nietzsche

Actually the topic was lost a long time ago and it was pretty much you who took it off by a ridiculous request for payroll information.

We started with intrusive, invasive, and illegal investigations of the people by the government. Morphed into why we need such and why people around the world hate fascist governments messing in their lives.

But you stand there and jump and down and scream for proof if that is what you like. Or you can read about the history, it is all out there.

How many embassies have been bombed now? Read a little.

You need to substantiate this claim or everything you ever posted is a lie, am I getting this right?

TKO

Bot, how many points are you getting for your childish, inflammatory posts?

Wow, just wow. Very little of what you say makes sense, and what you claim cannot be backed up. Carry on; it's clear common sense ideas like verification or explanations of why you hold your views will never be forth coming, carry on.

Your process of self-discovery may hold insight into the whole question of why people around the world hate the US and maybe even into the question of why all of the technical jobs moved overseas. Your lack of the analytical skills that would be needed to see the reasoning of other people may explain both. I guess many people share in your special perspective.

I'm bored with this now. I apologise if the issue really is that web searches are beyond your capabilities and you really did need help to find the answers to your questions.

Bye, adios, Ta Ta, later, au revoir, sayonara, adieu, tschus

yes you do.

Now that right there is funny

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