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Old 10-15-2011, 09:11 AM
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I know what is said. Doesn't mean it is right because it is said. I was at a Hog Wrestling event. Hog certainly didn't like it and they don't always win.

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Old 10-15-2011, 09:48 AM
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[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]To convince people of that argument by necessity you'll be forced to argue "It depends on what the meaning of the words 'is' is."
No, I think you'd have to argue the meaning of the word 'isn't' which is quite a different argument.
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No, I think you'd have to argue the meaning of the word 'isn't' which is quite a different argument.
The word “isn't” would have to be used before its meaning would be at issue! And I'm not the one arguing in defense of the incongruity of my positions and actions.

The word "is" had been used in the original statement, the clear meaning of which is apparently in the process of being orphaned by the person who uttered them!

As an aside I do find the lack of condemnation for confidential informant activity in this circumstance on your part interesting, given what you have offered as your opinion on the general matter in the past. At one point in the past you'd suggested "We should have a 'Crybaby' rating next to the infractions rating.” Should the person who confidentially reported sjh be publicly rated as a crybaby as he argues in defense of his incongruities?

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So if moderation is introduced again, in addition to infractions, maybe there should be a limit on crybabying. Each person is issued 5 'crybabies' and it shows up beside the infractions. Each time a crybaby is used, it is deducted from the total. It will limit crybabying and also make public who are the crybabies.

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I'm not in favor of any kind of anonymous reporting. I'd prefer a system in which, when a post was reported, a flag went on the post indicating who reported it. A report for copyright infringement however, is different than a crybaby report.

It seemed to me that in the last few weeks sjh was in the process of some kind of final burn out so his departure, while immediately caused by the copyright problem apparently, had some deeper roots.
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I'm not in favor of any kind of anonymous reporting. I'd prefer a system in which, when a post was reported, a flag went on the post indicating who reported it. A report for copyright infringement however, is different than a crybaby report.

It seemed to me that in the last few weeks sjh was in the process of some kind of final burn out so his departure, while immediately caused by the copyright problem apparently, had some deeper roots.
Really?
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Old 10-15-2011, 02:42 PM
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I'm not in favor of any kind of anonymous reporting. I'd prefer a system in which, when a post was reported, a flag went on the post indicating who reported it. A report for copyright infringement however, is different than a crybaby report.

It seemed to me that in the last few weeks sjh was in the process of some kind of final burn out so his departure, while immediately caused by the copyright problem apparently, had some deeper roots.
Who is sjh?
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Old 10-15-2011, 07:02 PM
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I'm not in favor of any kind of anonymous reporting. I'd prefer a system in which, when a post was reported, a flag went on the post indicating who reported it. A report for copyright infringement however, is different than a crybaby report.

It seemed to me that in the last few weeks sjh was in the process of some kind of final burn out so his departure, while immediately caused by the copyright problem apparently, had some deeper roots.
yes, sjh's flurry of activity the last few weeks suggested an imminent flameout.

in retrospect, i really believe nothing that he told us; as we - or at least I - know, cultlike belief and devotion always excuses any subterfuge, as long as it is in service of the "greater good" - in this case, repressive theocracy of the regressive, conservative christian variety, and an unregulated pro-business anti-labor society. as always, i find such beliefs oddly inconsistent with those who profess belief in the "jesus", who, after all, was a humble carpenter, and then a homeless social activist, quite similar to those folks presently occupying wall street.

anyway, i wish him no ill will, and hope he survives, perhaps with a bit less zealotry in his daily life.

p.s. as for the other "departee", well, they used to tell us, in sunday school, that "the lord works in mysterious ways". our departed friend is, perhaps, one of god's greatest enigmas?
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yes, sjh's flurry of activity the last few weeks suggested an imminent flameout.

in retrospect, i really believe nothing that he told us; as we - or at least I - know, cultlike belief and devotion always excuses any subterfuge, as long as it is in service of the "greater good" - in this case, repressive theocracy of the regressive, conservative christian variety, and an unregulated pro-business anti-labor society. as always, i find such beliefs oddly inconsistent with those who profess belief in the "jesus", who, after all, was a humble carpenter, and then a homeless social activist, quite similar to those folks presently occupying wall street.

anyway, i wish him no ill will, and hope he survives, perhaps with a bit less zealotry in his daily life.

p.s. as for the other "departee", well, they used to tell us, in sunday school, that "the lord works in mysterious ways". our departed friend is, perhaps, one of god's greatest enigmas?
I fail to see in any of sjh's posts an advocacy of "repressive theocracy". He advocated for an orthodox Christian position, but when did he say that the government should be run by Christians and impose strictly Christian values?

Maybe it was there, but I didn't see it.

It is odd that you reinvent Jesus as a mere social activist and can't see that He was advocating a tougher theocracy than sjh ever did.
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I fail to see in any of sjh's posts an advocacy of "repressive theocracy". He advocated for an orthodox Christian position, but when did he say that the government should be run by Christians and impose strictly Christian values?

Maybe it was there, but I didn't see it.

It is odd that you reinvent Jesus as a mere social activist and can't see that He was advocating a tougher theocracy than sjh ever did.
It was just a matter of time, he was asking for it with every posting.
I will not miss him, this is for sure...
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It was just a matter of time, he was asking for it with every posting.
I will not miss him, this is for sure...
So you condemned someone for what you thought he was going to say. How very liberal of you.
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Old 10-16-2011, 02:03 PM
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So you condemned someone for what you thought he was going to say. How very liberal of you.
Easy tiger, what I have written above is my view about the banned member in question. I am free to condemn or approve upon my believes and knowledge. We living in a free country.
Just for the record I've condemned him for what he WAS saying not for what he was GOING to say. (is that too complicated for you?)
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I think sjh was too much of a right wing capitalist to be a theocrat. I think in principle he should have been a theocrat but in practice, capitalist conservative politics overwhelmed his christian views.
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I think sjh was too much of a right wing capitalist to be a theocrat. I think in principle he should have been a theocrat but in practice, capitalist conservative politics overwhelmed his christian views.
wow. talk about being caught between Scylla and Charybdis!

those are some lousy options.
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wow. talk about being caught between Scylla and Charybdis!

those are some lousy options.
I am sure that you recognize that they are only poor options from your POV. From another POV they may look like 2 pretty good options.

Just sayin'.

Seriously, a pure capitalist would favor a smaller Central government, not involved in business-- for good or for ill. While a theocrat would want that business run according to whatever theological principles it favored--to benefit the poor, or the church, or the community, but not necessarily the business owner. What I am trying to point out is that there might be some conflict between the two; they are not as alike as too peas in a pod, as one might think.
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A couple of posts I have read have used the word "Banned" in regard to sjh not posting. Perhaps he with drew his membership. And then comes scary Kerry with "capitalist conservative politics overwhelmed his christian views'. Come on, get real! That will never happen.

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