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Old 12-14-2011, 09:58 AM
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Atheist Messages Displace California Park Nativity Scenes

Atheist Messages Displace California Park Nativity Scenes
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Atheist messages have displaced most of the Christmas nativity scenes that local churches had placed in a California park for nearly six decades, and the churches say it was a coordinated attack.

Local churches have traditionally claimed 14 of the 21 display spaces to illustrate the story of the birth of Jesus Christ.
This is what equal access is all about. The churches have had unfettered access to the sites for over half a century and now when someone beats them at their own game to present an opposing view they are all bent out of shape. What a shame. May be the Wicca or some other group will win the lottery next year.

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I can see another side of this. There are displays then there are political messages. Political messages should be banned or given equal time. I think that is per federal law. So when they put "Myths propagated ect" then they made it a political meesage. I don't know what content the Christian displayed had. The 'Happy Solstice' there is no argument there. Same as 'Merry Christmas", "Happy Huanaka", "Kwanza" etc.
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Old 12-14-2011, 10:34 AM
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What do you find "political?" Is it advocating support or rejection of a particular ballot issue, party or candidate?

It's way too easy to call something "political" and to invoke some sort of fairness doctrine, when the definitions of the words political, social, philosophical or ideological are rather intertwined.
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Old 12-14-2011, 10:36 AM
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I can see another side of this. There are displays then there are political messages. Political messages should be banned or given equal time. I think that is per federal law. So when they put "Myths propagated ect" then they made it a political meesage. I don't know what content the Christian displayed had. The 'Happy Solstice' there is no argument there. Same as 'Merry Christmas", "Happy Huanaka", "Kwanza" etc.
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how is the Myths statement political, now if they would have put Democratic or Republican Leadership up there...... of course we would still know it was a myth
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I can see another side of this. There are displays then there are political messages. Political messages should be banned or given equal time. I think that is per federal law. So when they put "Myths propagated ect" then they made it a political meesage. I don't know what content the Christian displayed had. The 'Happy Solstice' there is no argument there. Same as 'Merry Christmas", "Happy Huanaka", "Kwanza" etc.
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I do not understand how the atheist message is any more political than the religious messages. One set of displays is saying something is true while the other is claiming that it is false.

Per the articles I have read the church displays were nativity scenes and other scenes depicting the story of Christ.
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The churches have had unfettered access to the sites for over half a century and now when someone beats them at their own game to present an opposing view they are all bent out of shape. What a shame. May be the Wicca or some other group will win the lottery next year.
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But atheists got all but three of the spaces this year because of a new lottery system.
Guess their deity didn't support them in the lottery then. Maybe that is what they are pissed about.
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What do you find "political?" Is it advocating support or rejection of a particular ballot issue, party or candidate?

It's way too easy to call something "political" and to invoke some sort of fairness doctrine, when the definitions of the words political, social, philosophical or ideological are rather intertwined.
Records show hundreds of years of warfare between said belief systems. You might as well keep it in the big pot of 'political base ingredients'.
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I do not understand how the atheist message is any more political than the religious messages. One set of displays is saying something is true while the other is claiming that it is false.

Per the articles I have read the church displays were nativity scenes and other scenes depicting the story of Christ.
political - definition of political by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

In a sense, they are using these free platforms for their discussion or argument of their ideals against another. Thus, they are using public money to denigrate others beliefs. If they had a Wiccan display of their belief of creation, or Hindus belief of creation, then I see no problem. In your argument, the NAZI's could get one of these displays and refute the Holacost or other groups could.
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I can see another side of this. There are displays then there are political messages. Political messages should be banned or given equal time. I think that is per federal law. So when they put "Myths propagated ect" then they made it a political meesage. I don't know what content the Christian displayed had. The 'Happy Solstice' there is no argument there. Same as 'Merry Christmas", "Happy Huanaka", "Kwanza" etc.
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They all seem to be about religious issues, I don't see how you connect any of this with politics. The people who seem to have religion all intertwined with politics are the Republicans, your post seems to indicate that is true.
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political - definition of political by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

In a sense, they are using these free platforms for their discussion or argument of their ideals against another. Thus, they are using public money to denigrate others beliefs. If they had a Wiccan display of their belief of creation, or Hindus belief of creation, then I see no problem. In your argument, the NAZI's could get one of these displays and refute the Holacost or other groups could.
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Nazism has an associated religious cult, fine with me, let them post there all they want. Myself, I have written an angry letter to the Church of The Divine Spagetti Monster With Meatballs For Eyes, demanding to know why our signs are not there.
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I don't see anything wrong with it, they went about it legally and are doing no different than the nativity scene.

(also, anyone know the semiotic analysis of "nativity"? Interesting)
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The Supreme Court gave cities that want these stupid displays of religious mythology a simple choice: they could either have no nativity scenes at all, or they would have to obey the 1st Amendment and allow any and all equal religious expression where these displays occur. Glad to see it happening instead of how it was in the past, when anyone who wasn't a Christian was forced to listen to their encantations and chants and display of mythological idols on public land, when they have plenty of money to do so on their rip off tax-free private property. Atheism is a religious opinion. They have a right to express it.
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The Supreme Court gave cities that want these stupid displays of religious mythology a simple choice: they could either have no nativity scenes at all, or they would have to obey the 1st Amendment and allow any and all equal religious expression where these displays occur. Glad to see it happening instead of how it was in the past, when anyone who wasn't a Christian was forced to listen to their encantations and chants and display of mythological idols on public land, when they have plenty of money to do so on their rip off tax-free private property. Atheism is a religious opinion. They have a right to express it.

I'm curious. When they forced you to listen to their music, did they hand cuff you in place or did they hold a pistol to your head?
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What do you find "political?" Is it advocating support or rejection of a particular ballot issue, party or candidate?

It's way too easy to call something "political" and to invoke some sort of fairness doctrine, when the definitions of the words political, social, philosophical or ideological are rather intertwined.
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