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Old 02-15-2012, 01:24 PM
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Since this is a Mercedes forum I have a Miata question and I need non-miata brains for advice. And a recommendation for 'engine repair in a can'.

Okay;.... my daughter has a 1991 automatic Girly car+, it blew the headgasket & overheated, so I pull & surface the head & regrind the valves, with new valve seals. Fresh oil change.
It starts up and runs better than before the gasket failure, with compression 170-180# dry. (automatic has lower compression) But Quite peppy!

Now it suddenly smokes really a lot (clouds) blue/white/grey for a few minutes on start up, I thought it might be the vacuum modulator on the automatic, so i unhooked the vacuum line at the manifold, drove around and checked the vacuum line for a/t fluid wetness. Nope..it's fine. Vacuum modulator checks out fine. Remove the oil cap and there is no blow-by, pcv works okay..
Pulled the plugs and all the piston tops are oily wet as though oil is being injected into the combustion chamber. Plugs are fouled black, but work. (i am almost wondering if someone poured oil in the gas)
I think the overheating ruined the oil control rings, or several valve seals came off?;... but dang, it is like there is a hole in a piston the way it smokes.
► Any other ideas (than rings) for oil to get into the combustion chamber?◄

Is there any effective fluid I can pour in the spark plug holes that would free up stuck rings? I need a revelation here.

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Done a compression and leakdown test since the smoking?
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Old 02-15-2012, 01:52 PM
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Yes, these are the compression #s 170-180 with it smoking. I can't do a proper leakdown, but with the compressor hooked up to each cylinder there is indiscernible blow-by into the crankcase, intake or exhaust.
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Isn't Marvel Mystery Oil the Duct Tape of the internal combustion/mechanical world?
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Oil smoke on startup that goes away after a little while is usually a problem with the valve seals. Is there a possibility there was a mistake somewhere in the installation of those?
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Old 02-15-2012, 07:08 PM
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Oil smoke on startup that goes away after a little while is usually a problem with the valve seals. Is there a possibility there was a mistake somewhere in the installation of those?
Anything is possible; but the smoke doesn't really go away. It just spews less when warmed up and driving around.
The Marvel Mystery oil is cheaper than pulling the engine.
What about Kroil? Or Acetone or ATF ??? ......to unstick the rings?
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Anything is possible; but the smoke doesn't really go away. It just spews less when warmed up and driving around.
The Marvel Mystery oil is cheaper than pulling the engine.
What about Kroil? Or Acetone or ATF ??? ......to unstick the rings?
I wouldn't hold out much confidence in a liquid fix, but it's cheap enough to try: Seafoam is specifically sold for just such a try.....

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I have had good luck running seamfoam & MMO in the crankcase of my I4 Ranger, after ~150 miles the engine smoothed out and it began to actually pull up hills instead of lug down.
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Not a miata but I have a 190d 2.2 with similiar problems ,how much of MMO do you guys recommend adding ,I believe the motor holds 7 qrts ,alot of oil for just a 4 cylinder.
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Years ago I rebuilt a Volvo B20 engine that had been overheated. One cylinder burned oil afterwards. On the cylinder that burned oil, the piston had been scuffed and grabbed the oil ring so it wasn't working anymore.
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Half a pint of sea foam in the 190d ,wow ,seems to work.
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If it was overheated enough to take the temper out of the oil control rings is a possibility. Any engine that has been run quite a bit with all the coolant spewed out warping the head in the process could have that issue. You might still have decent compression since the oil control rings are different material than the compression rings.

I would not expect stuck rings unless oil baked solid in the lands with the heat. To do so that engine might have to have gotten quite hot. I am not even sure that is even possible.
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If it was overheated enough to take the temper out of the oil control rings is a possibility. Any engine that has been run quite a bit with all the coolant spewed out warping the head in the process could have that issue. You might still have decent compression since the oil control rings are different material than the compression rings.

I would not expect stuck rings unless oil baked solid in the lands with the heat. To do so that engine might have to have gotten quite hot. I am not even sure that is even possible.
Yeah; I am suspecting the oil control rings have lost temper, but the compression rings are in better shape.
My daughter didn't notice it was overheating until the motor was making noise. She was commuting 40 miles each way and not watching the gauges like most of us. At 70 MPH, I suspect it overheated quickly.
Curiously, the head was severely cupped, and the valve seats became slightly oblong because of this.
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At least the motors are really cheap used, should it be worst case scenario.
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ive had fresh heads blow rings, they wear out together, leaking valves leaky rings, then a fresh valve jobs blows out the old rings. could also be the elevated temp but usually it is just the next worst thing worn out syndrome

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