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Old 04-10-2012, 01:29 PM
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Oh no, Jimmy Carter all over, again!

Under the Carter administration, gas prices increased by 103.77 percent. Gas prices since Obama took office have risen by 103.79 percent. No other presidents in recent years have struggled as much with soaring oil prices. Under the Reagan administration, gas prices actually dropped 66 percent. When Bill Clinton was president, gas prices grew by roughly 30 percent, and under both Bush presidencies, gas prices rose by 20 percent

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It is true. I did vote for Jimmy! Big mistake and I lost my respect for liberalism. Yup, it all went south. Won't be long and we'll see Obama go south also. There won't be much money left so he probably won't get too far.
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I've always been curious over how a president affects the spot price of gasoline markets.
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Old 04-10-2012, 01:49 PM
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Old 04-10-2012, 02:22 PM
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In February 2001, just after Mr. Bush took office, the average price of regular gasoline was $1.45 a gallon. By June 2008, that price had risen to $4.05.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/01/business/gas-prices-are-out-of-any-presidents-control.html
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Good. Maybe it will be the awakening that Americans need to start seriously thinking about alternative fuels and means of transport.
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I don't know spdrun. I'm thinking it is going to take $7/gallon gasoline for it to finally dawn on the folks that the gas hawgs have got to go.
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In February 2001, just after Mr. Bush took office, the average price of regular gasoline was $1.45 a gallon. By June 2008, that price had risen to $4.05.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/01/business/gas-prices-are-out-of-any-presidents-control.html
So the gas price went up 279% under Bush watch and the OP statement is NOT a true statement. No President can fix the gas prices, the Economy, Stock Market and if any candidate claims it can be fixed then he/she is lying.
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It's killing middle America. My poor farming friends are getting killed on the price of fuel and corn.
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I don't know spdrun. I'm thinking it is going to take $7/gallon gasoline for it to finally dawn on the folks that the gas hawgs have got to go.
According to a Gallup poll, the average response was $5.30 per gallon before they said it would have a substantial effect on lifestyle. Some folks had a lower number, others higher.
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It's killing middle America. My poor farming friends are getting killed on the price of fuel and corn.
Using corn to make HFCS when sugar beets or good 'ol Cuban sugar cane would do is sheer lunacy. Using corn to make ethanol when abundant natural gas supplies exist also smacks of crazy ... let's see, takes more energy to make than you get from burning it!

THOSE things are driving up corn prices; talk about imbecilic gov't policies.
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Under the Carter administration, gas prices increased by 103.77 percent. Gas prices since Obama took office have risen by 103.79 percent. No other presidents in recent years have struggled as much with soaring oil prices. Under the Reagan administration, gas prices actually dropped 66 percent. When Bill Clinton was president, gas prices grew by roughly 30 percent, and under both Bush presidencies, gas prices rose by 20 percent
Were these prices the direct result of the policies of the then-sitting Presidents?
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Old 04-10-2012, 04:18 PM
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So the gas price went up 279% under Bush watch and the OP statement is NOT a true statement. No President can fix the gas prices, the Economy, Stock Market and if any candidate claims it can be fixed then he/she is lying.
The claim of % change obviously depends on at what arbitrary moment in time you choose your number. I choose the least favorable moment for the Bush comparison...

Agreed, gas prices and who is the sitting President are not related, despite what people wish to believe.
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I've always been curious over how a president affects the spot price of gasoline markets.
It would be called " leadership" A cohesive energy policy that meets current demand and provides incentives for alternate energy sources would be a good start. So would an administration that doesn't look like its on a crusade to destroy capitalism.
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It would be called " leadership" A cohesive energy policy that meets current demand and provides incentives for alternate energy sources would be a good start. So would an administration that doesn't look like its on a crusade to destroy capitalism.
That sounds fine in theory, in practice not quite so easy. Over the last couple of decades China and India have come "online". This means literally over a billion new consumers of oil. that didnt' exist before.

Oil reserves are not infinite, though they are probably greater than the doomsdayers would like. However the mere quantity is only part of the story. You have to be able to extract it economically in order for prices to remain low. If the cost of extraction rises so does the price at the pump. So oil sands, deep water deposits, reserves in the arctic are all well and good, but turning that into stuff that folks can afford at the pump is quite a different matter, and that's without factoring China and Indias demand into the equation. The US could attempt a policy of forcing it's oil companies to sell only to US consumers but that will never happen. You will not be able to keep the US companies from selling their product to the highest bidder on the world market as that would prevent them from profiting from the increased prices that the future demand from China and India will bring.

In other words, the price of gas is trended inexorably up over time. Get used to it. Any given president has very little influence over it in any direction.

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