Miracles never cease! The people of Wisconsin evidently like having a balanced budget and approve of someone with the balls to balance it.:laugh ing:

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30 million bucks vs. 3
Citizens United will be the death of our democracy.

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You need to check your math. To be fair--if that is your intent---the democratic side needs to include all the Union spending on behalf of the recall, as well as the value of the donated Union labor.

I think Huff Post had it pretty close $30M to about $33M.

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That is an odd argument. The losers commenting on their lack of funding or at least the lack of spending to recall Gov. Walker? I guess if the unions or the present administration lose this November, will they complain over a lack of funding or spending? I highly doubt it as they already have zillions of dollars to invest just like the other side. My guess is that they will fall back on old faithful: It was George Bush's fault. I think this could be a boom for the economy. All the union members who are now threatening to go on strike should be warned just like Reagan and the FAA. Let's see what happens then. If a zillion teachers go on strike, then I would suggest they get a pink slip and all the unemployed or under-employed teachers would have a job to go to. I think that would boost the economy a lot more than zillions of dollars in "stimulus funds" or bail out money or whatever they called it. See, the unions can do something good after all.

Public employee unions will be the death of our REPUBLIC if we let them. It appears that even some of their members are beginning to realize this. The rest will continue their cowardly thuggish behaviour until they kill the golden goose.

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Like I said in the other thread, the people of Wisconsin now have a governor who'll spend considerable office time and money fighting off his court cases. I guess that makes them the winners.

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I guess Gov. Walker is suing himself ?? I highly doubt it. Rather, all the "not-winners" (I won't call them losers) have long ago realized that if they file law suit after law suit, then the defendant will have to waste his time and money defending the same. I guess the union guys were saving up their pennies for plan "B" and filing fees and lawyer fees. I agree with the other posts that the unions have done GREAT things in helping the American worker, but those days are long over. Time will tell. I cannot wait until election time gets closer and we start seeing TV commercials pointing out the horrible and evil employers of America, i.e., the small businesses. OR, is it just "big business" that is bad news for America and the unions are here to rescue us ?

I agree Greazzer. There was indeed a time in this nations history, when unions were absolutely necessary. This was when a man, his wife and his children worked 10 hours a day seven days a week for mere subsistence.

The tables have completely reversed since then. NOW the union is fighting to keep the fat cat jobs for the thuggy bosses, their inflated wage level and inflated benefits. They have outlived their usefulness. This ESPECIALLY goes for government worker unions. The taxpayers can no longer afford it. Thank goodness we have a FEW politicians like Walker with balls enough to do what has to be done to balance the budget for the taxpayers.

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I live in a right to work state and have never belonged to a union, so while I recognize their contributions to worker safety, work conditions, pay and benefits over the years, don't feel confident to take a position about them one way or the other.
I wasn't thinking of lawsuits. I was thinking of indictments. Lots of the people around him during his campaign have been subpoenaed or given immunity in exchange for testimony, and he has set up a criminal prosecution fund.
Maybe he's just a poor, misunderstood guy whose only interest is reigning in spending and putting his state on a fiscally responsible path. Maybe he has no ties and receives no funding from corporate interests who'd like to bust up unions. Maybe he's just a victim of evil old boogey-man unions. Stranger things have happened. Somewhere. Maybe. They must have.

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I think I just enjoyed a moment of commonality

I agree, there are many examples of unions being penny wise and pound foolish, and they were and are an important part of labor relations, but lately, there needs to be a re defining of exactly how they work.

as two examples- Ever notice how when you drive through NY state, you are HANDED a ticket by an actual person for the turnpike, but when you get into MA, you can take the ticket out of a machine where you press a button?
The ticket handers are a protected union job in NY which is absolutely pointless, but a protected job with a decent living wage and government benefits. Cashiers are needed, but there have been machines for 30 years that can spit out a ticket.

Another example is a branch of Magna powertrain in upstate NY. During the economic crunch, the owners of the branch represented to the employees that they could stay open and probably float if everybody took a paycut to preserve the company, but at current wages and benefits, the company would have to go under. The unions would not budge, so everyone lost their jobs anyway, with no benefits to anyone.

They have a place, but it should not be against their own interests or the interests of the union members

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Can you provide any links?

Here's a link from the left:Mother Jones magazine on Tumblr - Chart of the Day: If Scott Walker wins his recall...

Can you provide anything from the right?

Yes Drop, in Texas it is TOTALLY automated on all toll roads.

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Don't get me wrong. The flip side is where folks have no choices and no options and they are subjected to the most horrible working conditions possible. I strongly feel that just as the employer who owns a factory (or the means of production to borrow from Marx) and can dictate the terms and conditions of employment, then private citizens have the right to fight back and band together and trade their labor (in a collective fashion) for a bargained wage.

As for Gov. Walker and his money and power, et cet. If he went on a campaign of terror and started prosecuting all of his enemies, then that would be abusive and his time in office would be short lived.

Not sure why unions are regional. That is, they seem to be all over the north but I rarely see them in the sunny south and they seem to be everywhere in the government. Not sure why there is a connection between unions and government. I can see them in any private organization as parties are free to pick and choose but in the government ?

Easy answer, at the time of the industrial revolution, the south's primary workforce was slave labor. No labor relations with slaves, and a very agricultural industrial base.

The north at the time had a primary and much more numerous immigrant population and was the industrial center of the united states

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